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Bree · 04-21-2008, 08:49 AM

I saw a report from Dave Spaulding on another board concerning a police officer shooting a BG with 9mm 147 gr. +P HST. He was doing a house search for the suspect. The BG jumped out with a knife and the officer shot him.

I will take the liberty to quote Dave's report of the incident and the effect... "The blade missed but the officer got off a shot from a close retention position hitting the suspect in the upper chest at an angle. The pulled traversed the body ( from under the right side nipple up to the left shoulder)and stopped. The reaction was instant with the suspect stopping and dropping to the floor. He died a short time later. Penetration was 12 inches with an expanded diameter of .61."

I haven't seen many actual shooting reports on HST. So I thought I would share this one with the rest of the team as I know a lot of you guys are using HST. Good result IMHO.

Vortech03_gt · 04-21-2008, 09:43 AM

i carry that exact same ammo in both of my 9mm XD's. glad to hear it performed well.

Bree · 04-21-2008, 09:48 AM

I carry the .45 ACP version. But it is very good to hear that the 9mm version performed that well. The .45 ACP version has been reported to expand to .90 or even greater. Imagine something like that buzz-sawing through your body. Sheesh!

**nikon777** · 04-21-2008, 10:21 AM

I run the Winchester Ranger T series, 124gr +p, or the 127 gr +p+.

Doesn't the HST emulate the "claws/Talons" of the Ranger ammo?

Bree · 04-21-2008, 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nikon777

I run the Winchester Ranger T series, 124gr +p, or the 127 gr +p+.

Doesn't the HST emulate the "claws/Talons" of the Ranger ammo?

I think you could say that. Here is what the 124 gr. HST's look like expanded.

Here are the 147 gr. HSTs next to a 147 gr. Golden Saber. The HST covers a nickel.

Hairy little suckers aren't they!

ormandj · 04-21-2008, 01:53 PM

Wow, I know what SD ammunition I'm going to stock up on...

Looks like the images came from: Bullet results after firing (has a nice image showing the HST expanded covering a nickel.)

Here's a link with photos of the Ranger T vs. the HST. Looks like HST wins:

Shooting The Messenger: Federal HST versus Ranger-T

I've heard of feeding problems with the HST .45 ammunition in XD45s, is this really the case? That'd be a damn shame. :/

Tally XD · 04-21-2008, 03:50 PM

Here is a Federal HST .45acp 230gr +p that I recovered from some jugs of water. Covers a quarter!!

There have been some reports of problems with .45acp feeding in several guns as well as the XD .45. I had thoseproblems initially but after a good feed ramp polish and some new +20% mag springs from Pistol Gear I have not been able to reproduce the feed problem again.

**bruce21b** · 04-21-2008, 03:52 PM

i carry my XD loaded with 17 rounds of 147 grain HST.

good report

Bree · 04-21-2008, 04:33 PM

Every semi on earth has jam problems reported. 9 times out of 10 it is the magazines or user error that causes the problem. In the cases that we had here on XDTalk this was true as well since mags were generally the problem.

But guns and ammo are like marriage... you have to make sure that they are compatible and at least... like one another... love one another is best... but not essential to a successful marriage. My XD-45C loves HST and has never even burped at it.

Nevertheless, I split my load with highest reliability EFMJs just in case. That's just my sense of comfort as I like the EFMJ a lot all by itself. I like both of these rounds and would not have a problem loading out with 100% of either. To tell you the truth, I don't 100% trust any hollow point in a semi-automatic weapon. If it weren't for the capacity and reload issues, I would be shooting .357 Magnum as my primary weapon. But things don't always work out as one might wish. I am very happy with the XD-45C and Federal LE ammo. They are a powerful one-two punch.

oldtexan · 04-24-2008, 01:56 PM

[quote=Bree;1062283]I saw a report from Dave Spaulding on another board concerning a police officer shooting a BG with 9mm 147 gr. +P HST. He was doing a house search for the suspect. The BG jumped out with a knife and the officer shot him.

I don't think there's a +P version of the 9mm 147 grain HST. I use P9HST2, which is the 147 grain load at standard pressure. Federal/ATK does make, I believe, a +P version in 124 grains.

04-21-2008, 08:49 AM	#1
Bree XDTalk 3K Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 3,210 Blog Entries: 5	HST Shooting Report I saw a report from Dave Spaulding on another board concerning a police officer shooting a BG with 9mm 147 gr. +P HST. He was doing a house search for the suspect. The BG jumped out with a knife and the officer shot him. I will take the liberty to quote Dave's report of the incident and the effect... "The blade missed but the officer got off a shot from a close retention position hitting the suspect in the upper chest at an angle. The pulled traversed the body ( from under the right side nipple up to the left shoulder)and stopped. The reaction was instant with the suspect stopping and dropping to the floor. He died a short time later. Penetration was 12 inches with an expanded diameter of .61." I haven't seen many actual shooting reports on HST. So I thought I would share this one with the rest of the team as I know a lot of you guys are using HST. Good result IMHO. __________________ Shoot Straight and Ride Safe! Bree XD .45 Compact -- Ruger SP-101 .357 Mag. -- Keltec P3AT .380 Rock River Arms 20" Varmint A4 AR-15 w/4-16x56mm MilDot Ruger 10/22 Black Stainless Mossberg 590 Mariner 12 Ga w/Knoxx SpecOps Harley Davidson Dyna Wide Glide Patriot Guard Rider Iron Butt Association Member The 60's Can't Die As Long As I Won't Leave Them!! I support McCain-Palin with CA$H!

04-21-2008, 09:48 AM	#3
Bree XDTalk 3K Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 3,210 Blog Entries: 5	I carry the .45 ACP version. But it is very good to hear that the 9mm version performed that well. The .45 ACP version has been reported to expand to .90 or even greater. Imagine something like that buzz-sawing through your body. Sheesh! __________________ Shoot Straight and Ride Safe! Bree XD .45 Compact -- Ruger SP-101 .357 Mag. -- Keltec P3AT .380 Rock River Arms 20" Varmint A4 AR-15 w/4-16x56mm MilDot Ruger 10/22 Black Stainless Mossberg 590 Mariner 12 Ga w/Knoxx SpecOps Harley Davidson Dyna Wide Glide Patriot Guard Rider Iron Butt Association Member The 60's Can't Die As Long As I Won't Leave Them!! I support McCain-Palin with CA$H!

04-21-2008, 10:21 AM	#4
nikon777 XDTalk 5K Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Cleveland, OH. The Danger Zone. Posts: 6,968	I run the Winchester Ranger T series, 124gr +p, or the 127 gr +p+. Doesn't the HST emulate the "claws/Talons" of the Ranger ammo? __________________ Wu-Tang Killa' Bees on Da' Swarm! Liberals Click Here!

04-21-2008, 03:52 PM	#8
bruce21b XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 478	i carry my XD loaded with 17 rounds of 147 grain HST. good report __________________ Springfield XD-9 Service Sig Sauer P-229 Wilson Combat CQB (when gas prices come down to earth)

04-21-2008, 04:33 PM	#9
Bree XDTalk 3K Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 3,210 Blog Entries: 5	Every semi on earth has jam problems reported. 9 times out of 10 it is the magazines or user error that causes the problem. In the cases that we had here on XDTalk this was true as well since mags were generally the problem. But guns and ammo are like marriage... you have to make sure that they are compatible and at least... like one another... love one another is best... but not essential to a successful marriage. My XD-45C loves HST and has never even burped at it. Nevertheless, I split my load with highest reliability EFMJs just in case. That's just my sense of comfort as I like the EFMJ a lot all by itself. I like both of these rounds and would not have a problem loading out with 100% of either. To tell you the truth, I don't 100% trust any hollow point in a semi-automatic weapon. If it weren't for the capacity and reload issues, I would be shooting .357 Magnum as my primary weapon. But things don't always work out as one might wish. I am very happy with the XD-45C and Federal LE ammo. They are a powerful one-two punch. __________________ Shoot Straight and Ride Safe! Bree XD .45 Compact -- Ruger SP-101 .357 Mag. -- Keltec P3AT .380 Rock River Arms 20" Varmint A4 AR-15 w/4-16x56mm MilDot Ruger 10/22 Black Stainless Mossberg 590 Mariner 12 Ga w/Knoxx SpecOps Harley Davidson Dyna Wide Glide Patriot Guard Rider Iron Butt Association Member The 60's Can't Die As Long As I Won't Leave Them!! I support McCain-Palin with CA$H!

04-21-2008, 09:43 AM	#2
Vortech03_gt XDTalk Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 60	i carry that exact same ammo in both of my 9mm XD's. glad to hear it performed well.

04-21-2008, 01:53 PM	#6
ormandj XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 246	Wow, I know what SD ammunition I'm going to stock up on... Looks like the images came from: Bullet results after firing (has a nice image showing the HST expanded covering a nickel.) Here's a link with photos of the Ranger T vs. the HST. Looks like HST wins: Shooting The Messenger: Federal HST versus Ranger-T I've heard of feeding problems with the HST .45 ammunition in XD45s, is this really the case? That'd be a damn shame. :/

04-24-2008, 01:56 PM	#10
oldtexan XDTalk Newbie Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 6	[quote=Bree;1062283]I saw a report from Dave Spaulding on another board concerning a police officer shooting a BG with 9mm 147 gr. +P HST. He was doing a house search for the suspect. The BG jumped out with a knife and the officer shot him. I don't think there's a +P version of the 9mm 147 grain HST. I use P9HST2, which is the 147 grain load at standard pressure. Federal/ATK does make, I believe, a +P version in 124 grains.

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