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best 9mm ammo for camping protection

This is a discussion on best 9mm ammo for camping protection within the The Ammo Can forums, part of the Armory Talk category; in 9mm? I'd go with a 158 grain Winchester Partition bullet in .357 Mag, which is still 9mm... If you are still carring a 9mm ...

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Old 06-30-2005, 09:49 AM   #11
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in 9mm? I'd go with a 158 grain Winchester Partition bullet in .357 Mag, which is still 9mm...

If you are still carring a 9mm parabellum though, and get attacked by a bear, any bullet will work. Just put it under your chin and pull...er nevermind...
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Old 06-30-2005, 08:08 PM   #12
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I would not carry anything less than a .44 cal 300 grain hard cast loaded to max for bear medicine. For general self defense in the woods in 9mm, I would make it a 147 grain GOOD quailty hollow point.
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Old 06-30-2005, 09:47 PM   #13
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Hydra-SHok 147's.

Don't worry about the bears. Just don't sleep with your food. Sleep away from your food.
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Old 07-01-2005, 12:06 AM   #14
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DigMe,

My point for sharing that bear attack was to point out that s_ _ _ happens no matter if you do everything right. That couple kept their food in bear proof containers and far away from their tent.

All you can do is plan for the worst and if you want to protect yourself in the woods from the largest preditor that you may encounter, know what will and how to kill it without it killing you. You're kidding yourself if you think a 9MM or a 357 is enough gun, I'm with SLCDave, just save the last round for yourself.

Just remember a 300 pound Grizzly is not the same as a 300 pound man.

Here's what happened in another attack where a hiker used a 38 caliber on a 1600 pound Brown Bear. (note: having trouble attaching the photos. Need advise on how to paste it to this site.) Also they do have it stuffed and on display at Anchorage's Airport:
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Alaskan Grizzly Bear Experience

The attached photos are of a man who works for the US Forest Service in Alaska and his trophy bear.

He was out deer hunting last week when a large grizzly bear charged him from about 50 yards away. The guy emptied his 7mm Magnum semi-automatic rifle into the bear and it dropped a few feet from him. The big bear was still alive so he reloaded and shot it several times in the head.

The bear was just over one thousand six hundred pounds (1600 lbs.). It stood 12' 6" high at the shoulder, 14' to the top of his head.

It's the largest grizzly bear ever recorded in the world.

Of course, the Alaska Fish and Wildlife Commission did not let him keep it as a trophy, but the bear will be stuffed and mounted, and placed on display at the Anchorage airport to remind tourists of the risks involved when in the wild.

Based on the contents of the bear's stomach, the Fish and Wildlife Commission established the bear had killed at least two humans in the past 72 hours including a missing hiker.

The US Forest Service, backtracking from where the bear had originated, found the hiker's 38-caliber pistol emptied. Not far from the pistol was the remains of the hiker. The other body has not been found.

Although the hiker fired six shots and managed to hit the grizzly with four shots (the Service ultimately found four 38 caliber slugs along with twelve 7mm slugs inside the bear's dead body), it only wounded the bear and probably angered it immensely.

The bear killed the hiker an estimated two days prior to the bear's own death by the gun of the Forest Service worker.
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Old 07-01-2005, 09:27 AM   #15
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5-0, that story you post has been proven to be partially true, but the photo of the remains is not related to the story. Just check the Snopes and Urban Legend sites.

I still wouldn't want a 9mm or .38 special when attacked by a bear though.
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Actually...if all you have is a 9mm, then I would suggest FMJ for deeper penetration. In the heaviest possible load...147gr FMJ.
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With a bear or similar, penetration is your #1 concern. Many HP's simply don't get deep enough. I would not recommend a 9mm at all for bear protection, but it does beat a sharp stick.

You need to pickup a heavy weight (147gr), FMJ, and get one as hot as you can. NATO or maybe Fiocchi (sp?)
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DigMe,

My point for sharing that bear attack was to point out that s_ _ _ happens no matter if you do everything right.

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You're kidding yourself if you think a 9MM or a 357 is enough gun, I'm with SLCDave, just save the last round for yourself.
I think you're misunderstanding my post. I'm not defending the 9mm as adequate defense against a bear. I concur that .44 mag is the minimum pistol caliber that should be considered as grizzly deterrent.

I was just pointing out the rather silly comment you made when you said:

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Now this is the minimum caliber that you will need to stop a bear. First disable it from attacking (shoulder joint/leg), then killing shot through heart and lungs.
as if you're going to be able to calmly aim and pick your shots like that when being attacked by a grizzly bear.

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