ammo for home defense that won't penetrate a wall ?

[agalindo]

Originally Posted by fritzmeister

Look at this.

Extreme Shock - The World's Most Advanced Ammunition=

STOP!!! Don't buy this crap

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[lobster_roboto]

Originally Posted by The Tengu

Forget the Extreme Shock ****. The Glaser... maybe.

What you're looking for is probably a Federation phaser of some kind. Perhaps a type 3.

I beg to differ there sir.
A federation type 3 phaser set on any setting except stun would penetrate.
phasers work on a pulse relay system.
When the phaser is set to "stun" it wouldn't penetrate any barriers.
If set to "kill" the pulse in the beam is sped up to such a degree that produces copious amounts of direct energy (heat)
It works by carrying the energy into the victim and dispersing the energy all over the body at an accelerated rate hence the instantaneous death.

What you would need is a particle disrupter. While the disrupter would "penetrate" a wall it would cause no permanent damage to the wall but would have a questionable effect on any targets beyond the first point of entry.


/I need a life.

[fritzmeister]

...just puttin' it out there. I'm glad that you guys can yeay/nay a product. Options & opinions were asked for, that's what he's gettin'.

Just curious, why is the extreme shock so bad? Any independent reports, personal experience, etc.?

[agalindo]

This is a quote from a terminal ballistics expert.

DocGKR
Far from being, “the world’s most advanced ammunition”, Extreme Shock might be better described as advertising trash and a complete waste of your money.From a Glock 17 the 9 mm 85 gr “Air Freedom” load offered:
Bare Gelatin: vel=1598 f/s, pen=3.9” to 5.5”, small fragments
Denim: vel=1596 f/s, pen=14.6”, rd=0.42”, rl=0.48”, rw=56.6 gr
Wall: vel=1587 f/s, pen=6.7”, small fragments
From a 1911 the .45 ACP 185 gr “Nytrillium Fragmentable JHP" gave:
Bare Gelatin: vel=1117 f/s, pen=5.5” to 9.0”, small fragments
Denim: vel=1120 f/s, pen=9.3” to 12.2”, small fragments
Wall: vel=1110 f/s, pen=20+”, rd=0.42”, rl=0.57, rw=181.1 gr

[The Tengu]

The Box O' Truth #23 - ExtremeShock™ Ammo and the Box O' Truth - Page 1

[The Tengu]

Originally Posted by lobster_roboto

I beg to differ there sir.
A federation type 3 phaser set on any setting except stun would penetrate.
phasers work on a pulse relay system.
When the phaser is set to "stun" it wouldn't penetrate any barriers.
If set to "kill" the pulse in the beam is sped up to such a degree that produces copious amounts of direct energy (heat)
It works by carrying the energy into the victim and dispersing the energy all over the body at an accelerated rate hence the instantaneous death.

What you would need is a particle disrupter. While the disrupter would "penetrate" a wall it would cause no permanent damage to the wall but would have a questionable effect on any targets beyond the first point of entry.


/I need a life.

LOL, I used to have all that Trek stuff memorized.

If I remember right now that you've jogged my memory, a Type I phaser is that little mousegun the size of a tiny cellphone.

A Type II is either a pistol-gripped phaser with a RADAR dish, or a fat remote control.

And a Type III is that big ass rifle Super Nintendo Super Scope-looking thing.

[jeepinbanditrider]

XDTALK took up a collection to buy some of this stuff to send to the box o truth guys and they found it to be less than stellar.

The Box O' Truth #23 - ExtremeShock™ Ammo and the Box O' Truth - Page 1

For the cost they aren't worth it.

[jeepinbanditrider]

Damnit others beat me to it. Oh well

The type 3 is commonly refered to as Phaser Rifle becuase it's about the size of one. The type two is like a Service model XD and the Type one is a SubCompact or maybe even a Kel Tec it depends on what Star Trek series we're talking about.

If you ever notice you don't see the type 1 employed alot. In fact I don't ever remember seeing it on the Voyager series.

Oh almost forgot in the Voyager series you see two types of Phaser rifles employed. I think they were both "Compression Phaser Rifles" but two diffrent designs.

[lobster_roboto]

right on..

Yeah the type 3 was the phase rifle with 16 "type of fire" settings

The type 2 was kind of like a handgun...initially they had just a few settings but later were designed with up to 16 like the type 3. They also had a "rail" at the top to fasten the type 1 phaser to the type 2.

The type 1 looked like a little tiny sissy thing....It wasn't powerful enough to effect silicon based lifeforms so the type 2 quickly replaced it.

[jeepinbanditrider]

LOL. If you look at the TNG and DS9 Type 3 phasers you can tell the prop designers took a type 2 hand phaser and and attached it to some type of stock. Probably gives it extra power capacity and quicker time between shots.

Can't beat a good'ol Klingon disrupter or disrupter rifle for simplicity though. Only one setting on that It's like the AK of the future.

The federations phasers have much more utility though. I mean you can heat rocks for warmth, cut away blast doors, take down a whole room with the "wide beam" setting, cut rock away, the list goes on it. It's like the Gerber Multitool of 24th century weapons.