Hollow point ammo used in Iraq?

[ForGreatJustice]

I don't know this for sure, but I think the 6.8 OTM is the same "story" as the Sierra Matchking and Nosler OTMs. Anyone know who makes the 6.8 bullets that have seen limited use?

[beakersloco]

Originally Posted by Figgy1682

well my buddy did 2 tours in iraq and they use fmj cause the were not allowed to use hollow points

Hey didnt you guys get the memo ...... the one about our use of special tactical safety ammo(Corbon, Hydrashok, etc) ...... hint hint ..... that allows us to insure if we hit a BG the bullet stays in the BG and wont over penetrate thus meaning that thier is only one entrance hole to stitch up instead of an entrance and exit hole! This means that the insurgent medics wont have to stitch up as many holes which means that they can save more lives by helping more wounded soldiers will be able to work much faster with our use of this special tactical ammo.

[BrokenArrow]

You guys forgot about the 147/9 JHPs used in the pistols and smgs: Cartridges, 9 MM Jacketed, Hollow Point, Mk 243 Mod 0, DODIC A260

[RLLOVER]

Some situations require special weapons, ammo or operators. I don't think you will see Federal's 68gr match ammo or the like issued to all troops, but I know some folks from Delta, Fast Company or one of the teams might have it.


Given the choice I think it's more humane to be killed instantly than suffer my wounds and die in a dusty floored hospital of infection, or bleeding, but that's me thinking logically, and we all know some political types can't do that.

[Waldo]

They use ball.

Federal XM193 in 5.56

[BrokenArrow]

They use a variety of ammo, ball and JHP, in rifles, carbines, smgs, and pistols. The 5.56mm M193 type loads pictured above have not been std issue for years BTW, the current is M855 62g "ball" ammo, along w some 77g OTM ammo (open tip match means a JHP). OTM ammo is also used in 7.62 NATO.

[Waldo]

Originally Posted by BrokenArrow

They use a variety of ammo, ball and JHP, in rifles, carbines, smgs, and pistols. The 5.56mm M193 type loads pictured above have not been std issue for years BTW, the current is M855 62g "ball" ammo, along w some 77g OTM ammo (open tip match means a JHP). OTM ammo is also used in 7.62 NATO.

Many reserve, national guard, and Air Force units are issued M193 that carry M16A1's because of barrel twist. The frontline troops that carry M16A2's and M4's use M855.


M855 second from left.

[BrokenArrow]

I was active duty AF, had not been issued M193, or been anywhere it was, since 1994. Had no idea so many other folks were still using the old stuff.

Actually, the old M193 load is probably better at stopping soft targets farther out than the M855. The only thing it's better at is penetrating hard stuff at long range, and that isn't needed as much as often. From an M4, the M193 is OK out to about 95m, the M855 stops fragging at about 50m.

[Waldo]

Originally Posted by BrokenArrow

I was active duty AF, had not been issued M193, or been anywhere it was, since 1994. Had no idea so many other folks were still using the old stuff.

Actually, the old M193 load is probably better at stopping soft targets farther out than the M855. The only thing it's better at is penetrating hard stuff at long range, and that isn't needed as much as often. From an M4, the M193 is OK out to about 95m, the M855 stops fragging at about 50m.

Thats a quote from Troy Tiscarnero, he authored http://www.ammo-oracle.com/

He wouldnt publish something he hadnt researched.

[BrokenArrow]

We aren't disagreeing much here, if at all... the std issue has been M855 since the new 1/7 twist guns were std issue, which happened yrs ago, even in the USAF. A lot more people are now active w older guns that need the older ammo than when I was serving. Active duty people are running into a lot more activated reserve and Guard units w older stuff than ever before, or I ever did before I retired. And I hear ammo shortages caused a lot of 9mm and 5.56 to be bought and used from a foreign source, and some of that was M193 type ammo.

M855 and M193, both FMJ, are both being used in 5.56. Along w some JHP and OTM ammo in 9mm, 5.56mm, and 7.62mm in rifles, pistols, and smgs.