Clairfication on LEO ammo for my state please. - XDTalk Forums - Your HS2000/SA-XD Information Source!

Mephis · 08-01-2007, 08:01 PM

Considering I do not know where to look for information regarding this, I thought I would ask. My friend was given a few black talons from a retired LEO and some other assorted ammo since he's in my friend's apartment complex. He talked with a LEO who is a friend of ours and he got very angry about the black talons and told him never to carry them again or he'll be arrested. So I had been reading that black talons were legal, but they just were not sold to civilians. But yet I've been told by person after person that they are indeed illegal to own. (One person tried to tell me that they'll defeat armor, but I laughed that off... Teflon does not make a bullet go through armor...) So here's the question... Are black talons, or any other LEO ammo, against the law to own in the state of Indiana? And oddly enough I just bought some 155gr winchester rangers at the gun store for $19. Aren't they suppose to be the next generation black talon? They look very similar.

petey1 · 08-01-2007, 08:09 PM

I think you're okay.....that said, I'm sure that others on this forum are more knowledgeable on the topic. I bet Hotpig knows the answer. He's a good source for Talon/Ranger info.

Krackels · 08-01-2007, 08:33 PM

Just another example of an uninformed police officer. They seem to give all the others a bad name.

Believe half of what you see and none of what you hear seems to apply.

Mephis · 08-01-2007, 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Krackels

Just another example of an uninformed police officer. They seem to give all the others a bad name.

Believe half of what you see and none of what you hear seems to apply.

Sadly, that police officer has the ability to arrest people for this.

zac07 · 08-01-2007, 09:41 PM

I dont think the rangers are the next generation. I heard the Winchester SXT were supposed to stand for Same eXact Thing.

fredj338 · 08-01-2007, 10:58 PM

I do not know what your states laws are but WW Black Talons were NEVER made illegal to won by civilians. WW pulled the ammo because it got alot of neg. press. The current Ranger & SXT are basically the same thing w/o the black coating. Go onto your states DOJ site & review ammunition restrictions. Like krackles said, most LEO don't know swuat about firearms &/or ammo & that includes the laws. Still, why risk being detained by an uninformed LEO. There are many good JHP rounds that do the same thing.

Myk9noseknows · 08-01-2007, 11:01 PM

Black Talons are perfectly legal for you to carry or use for HD.

However, if you shoot someone with your Black Talons, you will have to go into Civil and possibly Criminal court and articulate the reason why you felt it was necessary to use that ammo over all other brands of ammo available.
If the prosecuting attorney knows anything about firearms, he could really put the squeeze on you. Why use a Black Talon when most any other high quality JHP will do about the same thing?
For me, it's just not worth sitting on the stand and explaining why I had to use some "Cop Killers" (that's what the prosecutor will call them since that's what the media calls them) on an intruder. (The media also deems these as being able to penetrate bulletproof vests)
Save yourself the headache and buy some Gold Dots, Golden Sabres, CorBon, or TAP JHP's.

Mephis · 08-02-2007, 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Myk9noseknows

Black Talons are perfectly legal for you to carry or use for HD.

However, if you shoot someone with your Black Talons, you will have to go into Civil and possibly Criminal court and articulate the reason why you felt it was necessary to use that ammo over all other brands of ammo available.
If the prosecuting attorney knows anything about firearms, he could really put the squeeze on you. Why use a Black Talon when most any other high quality JHP will do about the same thing?
For me, it's just not worth sitting on the stand and explaining why I had to use some "Cop Killers" (that's what the prosecutor will call them since that's what the media calls them) on an intruder. (The media also deems these as being able to penetrate bulletproof vests)
Save yourself the headache and buy some Gold Dots, Golden Sabres, CorBon, or TAP JHP's.

Well I bought winchester 155gr rangers. And after putting a 1inch hole in an 1/8th inch steel plate at 30 feet, I'd assume this stuff is pretty good. I don't think it's the type that would be a liability.

fredj338 · 08-02-2007, 06:35 PM

A good rule of thumb is to use the same ammo your local PD usues. Then if you get a sleezy lawyer (I know, most are sleezy) then your repsonse is "If it's good enough for them to defend the public with, then it's good enough for me to defend my family with". That pretty much takes the crap out that argument.

jeepinbanditrider · 08-02-2007, 06:54 PM

As far as I know NJ is the only state that bans the use of Hollowpoints. I heard the leglislation was passed becuase of an episode of the "Sopranos".

Black Talons are NOT illegal (unless you live in NJ) and if the officer arrested you for it would be in a world of hurt if you choose to press the issue.

That had to be some VERY mild steel for a pistol round to put a hole in it.

08-01-2007, 08:01 PM	#1
Mephis XDTalk 500 Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 587	Clairfication on LEO ammo for my state please. Considering I do not know where to look for information regarding this, I thought I would ask. My friend was given a few black talons from a retired LEO and some other assorted ammo since he's in my friend's apartment complex. He talked with a LEO who is a friend of ours and he got very angry about the black talons and told him never to carry them again or he'll be arrested. So I had been reading that black talons were legal, but they just were not sold to civilians. But yet I've been told by person after person that they are indeed illegal to own. (One person tried to tell me that they'll defeat armor, but I laughed that off... Teflon does not make a bullet go through armor...) So here's the question... Are black talons, or any other LEO ammo, against the law to own in the state of Indiana? And oddly enough I just bought some 155gr winchester rangers at the gun store for $19. Aren't they suppose to be the next generation black talon? They look very similar. __________________ All guns lost in tragic boating accident until 08 president is decided.

08-01-2007, 08:33 PM	#3
Krackels XDTalk 15K Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Southeastern PA Posts: 19,820 Blog Entries: 6	Just another example of an uninformed police officer. They seem to give all the others a bad name. Believe half of what you see and none of what you hear seems to apply. __________________ "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." --Benjamin Franklin PA Roll Call

08-01-2007, 11:01 PM	#7
Myk9noseknows XDTalk 2K Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 2,098	Black Talons are perfectly legal for you to carry or use for HD. However, if you shoot someone with your Black Talons, you will have to go into Civil and possibly Criminal court and articulate the reason why you felt it was necessary to use that ammo over all other brands of ammo available. If the prosecuting attorney knows anything about firearms, he could really put the squeeze on you. Why use a Black Talon when most any other high quality JHP will do about the same thing? For me, it's just not worth sitting on the stand and explaining why I had to use some "Cop Killers" (that's what the prosecutor will call them since that's what the media calls them) on an intruder. (The media also deems these as being able to penetrate bulletproof vests) Save yourself the headache and buy some Gold Dots, Golden Sabres, CorBon, or TAP JHP's. __________________ "When people need help, they call the Police. When Police need help, they call K-9"

08-02-2007, 06:54 PM	#10
jeepinbanditrider XDTalk 4K Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Mineral Wells, Tx Posts: 4,979	As far as I know NJ is the only state that bans the use of Hollowpoints. I heard the leglislation was passed becuase of an episode of the "Sopranos". Black Talons are NOT illegal (unless you live in NJ) and if the officer arrested you for it would be in a world of hurt if you choose to press the issue. That had to be some VERY mild steel for a pistol round to put a hole in it. __________________ Stuff USPSA-A59201

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08-01-2007, 08:09 PM	#2
petey1 XDTalk 500 Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Upstate NY Posts: 677	I think you're okay.....that said, I'm sure that others on this forum are more knowledgeable on the topic. I bet Hotpig knows the answer. He's a good source for Talon/Ranger info.

08-01-2007, 09:41 PM	#5
zac07 XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: West Texas Posts: 1,121	I dont think the rangers are the next generation. I heard the Winchester SXT were supposed to stand for Same eXact Thing.

08-01-2007, 10:58 PM	#6
fredj338 XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,448	I do not know what your states laws are but WW Black Talons were NEVER made illegal to won by civilians. WW pulled the ammo because it got alot of neg. press. The current Ranger & SXT are basically the same thing w/o the black coating. Go onto your states DOJ site & review ammunition restrictions. Like krackles said, most LEO don't know swuat about firearms &/or ammo & that includes the laws. Still, why risk being detained by an uninformed LEO. There are many good JHP rounds that do the same thing.

08-02-2007, 06:35 PM	#9
fredj338 XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,448	A good rule of thumb is to use the same ammo your local PD usues. Then if you get a sleezy lawyer (I know, most are sleezy) then your repsonse is "If it's good enough for them to defend the public with, then it's good enough for me to defend my family with". That pretty much takes the crap out that argument.