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Krackels · 04-27-2007, 08:38 AM

Has anyone tried it?

I just ordered 2500 rounds of it and I was warned that it has hard primers. I figured at the least I could shoot it out of my 9mm Carbine, but I'd love if it would function in my XD too.

The place I ordered it from had this to say.

9mm -- IMI boxed ammo, Made in mid 1970s. 124 Grains
Hard Primers, Made for UZI

Another retailer offered Israeli 9mm and mentioned that it's +P+ ammo rated only for submachine gun use.

9MM IMI +P+ Sub-Machine Gun ammunition,

This 9MM ammunition was made by IMI in Israel in the 70's. It is for Sub-Machine gun use only. It is +P+ and the primers are set for machine gun use. The manufacturer told us that it is non-corrosive, but after testing it we are not so sure, so we are selling it as corrosive ammunition. The ammunition is brass cased boxer primed with a 115 grain lead core bullet. This ammunition is bulk packed and sold 2000 rounds to the case, with a minimum order of one case.
Stock No. 1002, 1 case $159.00, 5 cases $150.00 per case, 11 cases $145.00 per case, 25 cases and up $140.00 per case.
(In Stock)

So I wanted to know if anyone has any personal experience with this Israeli surplus 9mm.

Brickboy240 · 04-27-2007, 09:08 AM

Wow..another flashback (like beardman's 6.5 Swede ammo post below). I have not seen that stuff in a very long time.

Back in the 90s, I bought two cases of that stuff for a VERY cheap price. It was at every gun show and almost half of what you're paying for it now (ahh...the good ol days).

That stuff is VERY hot ammo. The Israleis loaded it hotter to kick the stiffer action on their Uzis. They had problems with this ammo beating their issue 92 Berettas to junk in a hurry and signed a contract with FN to build hard cast frame Hi-Powers that would take the beating of this ammo. I have one of these Hi-Powers (excellent shooter, BTW). They sold off their Hi-Powers in the late 90s (how I got mine) and went to the Glock 19, which could handle the hotter IMI 9mm ammo as well.

I ran that ammo through the Isralei Hi-Power and my old Glock 17. It was definately snappier in the recoil department, than normal 115 gr 9mm factory stuff. Accurate, but a bit filthy (like Blazers or Wolf).

I was warned by those in the know to only run this through modern, more durable 9mms, as it will beat the alloy framed 9mms and older 9mms (like Lugers, Walther P38s and M-96 Mausers) to junk real fast. If you're going to run that ammo through an XD-9, Glock, HK, Isralei Hi-Power or a steel framed 9mm like a CZ-75 or Baby Desert Eagle...you're fine. I would be careful running gobs of the stuff through a SIG, Beretta or other alloy framed 9mm, though. I also would not run it through an early milled frame Hi-Power. Better safe than sorry.

I am surprised you found that stuff...I have not seen it in a long time.

- Brickboy240

Krackels · 04-27-2007, 09:22 AM

Maybe I should order another 2500 rounds. It seemed like a bangin' deal at 11 cents a round before shipping.

If I have any doubts I'll be running it through my RRA 9mm Carbine.

Brickboy240 · 04-27-2007, 09:43 AM

If I can remember correctly, that ammo made my Glock 17 and Hi-Power recoil like a 40SW. It was accurate and I don't remember one dud in the bunch, but it was loud and snappy!

Yeah, out of a carbine or a stout, quality 9mm (like my Isralei Hi-Power)...I'd run the stuff again, but it would never see action in my Luger or 225 SIG - why chance it?

- Brickboy240

ChevellRCR · 04-27-2007, 09:55 AM

I have about 1800 rounds of some just about like it that my XD wont set off the primer. I wonder if there is a heavier spring I can use to get the job done?

ElJimmyStrappo · 04-27-2007, 10:14 AM

You bought that from KY Imports right? I was lookin at that the other day, and it is quite cheap. Problem is the hard primers. I heard that it wasn't good for your gun. Also it says it is only for submachine guns. Let us know how it shoots in an XD will ya?

Krackels · 04-27-2007, 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ElJimmyStrappo

You bought that from KY Imports right? I was lookin at that the other day, and it is quite cheap. Problem is the hard primers. I heard that it wasn't good for your gun. Also it says it is only for submachine guns. Let us know how it shoots in an XD will ya?

I'll do that. A while back someone gave me some assorted 60+ year old 9mm and since it was so assorted the only value was to shoot it. Nevertheless, the 1941 Dutch surplus 9mm was pretty snappy.

I'll probably get a chance to shoot some in 2 weeks. I'll keep ya informed.

Krackels · 06-21-2007, 02:31 PM

Update:
I loaded up my XD9 with a magazine of this ammo, and it was very finicky. Kinda went like this, click, (recock XD), boom, boom, click, (recock XD), click, (recock XD), click, (recock XD), click, (recock XD), boom

But out of my AR15. I had 0 failures. Every round went BOOM. It did seem a little snappier than regular 9mm. All in all I'm happy to keep it for exclusive use in my carbine.

**einheit 13** · 06-22-2007, 10:13 PM

Use it in your rifles, its too hot to use in most pistols.

04-27-2007, 08:38 AM	#1
Krackels XDTalk 15K Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Southeastern PA Posts: 19,820 Blog Entries: 6	Israeli Surplus 9mm Has anyone tried it? I just ordered 2500 rounds of it and I was warned that it has hard primers. I figured at the least I could shoot it out of my 9mm Carbine, but I'd love if it would function in my XD too. The place I ordered it from had this to say. 9mm -- IMI boxed ammo, Made in mid 1970s. 124 Grains Hard Primers, Made for UZI Another retailer offered Israeli 9mm and mentioned that it's +P+ ammo rated only for submachine gun use. 9MM IMI +P+ Sub-Machine Gun ammunition, This 9MM ammunition was made by IMI in Israel in the 70's. It is for Sub-Machine gun use only. It is +P+ and the primers are set for machine gun use. The manufacturer told us that it is non-corrosive, but after testing it we are not so sure, so we are selling it as corrosive ammunition. The ammunition is brass cased boxer primed with a 115 grain lead core bullet. This ammunition is bulk packed and sold 2000 rounds to the case, with a minimum order of one case. Stock No. 1002, 1 case $159.00, 5 cases $150.00 per case, 11 cases $145.00 per case, 25 cases and up $140.00 per case. (In Stock) So I wanted to know if anyone has any personal experience with this Israeli surplus 9mm. __________________ "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." --Benjamin Franklin PA Roll Call

04-27-2007, 09:08 AM	#2
Brickboy240 XDTalk 10K Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Houston, TX, USA Posts: 10,314	Wow..another flashback (like beardman's 6.5 Swede ammo post below). I have not seen that stuff in a very long time. Back in the 90s, I bought two cases of that stuff for a VERY cheap price. It was at every gun show and almost half of what you're paying for it now (ahh...the good ol days). That stuff is VERY hot ammo. The Israleis loaded it hotter to kick the stiffer action on their Uzis. They had problems with this ammo beating their issue 92 Berettas to junk in a hurry and signed a contract with FN to build hard cast frame Hi-Powers that would take the beating of this ammo. I have one of these Hi-Powers (excellent shooter, BTW). They sold off their Hi-Powers in the late 90s (how I got mine) and went to the Glock 19, which could handle the hotter IMI 9mm ammo as well. I ran that ammo through the Isralei Hi-Power and my old Glock 17. It was definately snappier in the recoil department, than normal 115 gr 9mm factory stuff. Accurate, but a bit filthy (like Blazers or Wolf). I was warned by those in the know to only run this through modern, more durable 9mms, as it will beat the alloy framed 9mms and older 9mms (like Lugers, Walther P38s and M-96 Mausers) to junk real fast. If you're going to run that ammo through an XD-9, Glock, HK, Isralei Hi-Power or a steel framed 9mm like a CZ-75 or Baby Desert Eagle...you're fine. I would be careful running gobs of the stuff through a SIG, Beretta or other alloy framed 9mm, though. I also would not run it through an early milled frame Hi-Power. Better safe than sorry. I am surprised you found that stuff...I have not seen it in a long time. - Brickboy240 __________________ The top 25% of wage earners in America pay 86% of all federal income taxes collected. (according to 2007 IRS website data) Es mejor morir a pie que vivir arrodillado Volvo...the Swedish Brick! Last edited by Brickboy240; 04-27-2007 at 09:12 AM.

04-27-2007, 09:22 AM	#3
Krackels XDTalk 15K Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Southeastern PA Posts: 19,820 Blog Entries: 6	Maybe I should order another 2500 rounds. It seemed like a bangin' deal at 11 cents a round before shipping. If I have any doubts I'll be running it through my RRA 9mm Carbine. __________________ "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." --Benjamin Franklin PA Roll Call

04-27-2007, 09:43 AM	#4
Brickboy240 XDTalk 10K Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Houston, TX, USA Posts: 10,314	If I can remember correctly, that ammo made my Glock 17 and Hi-Power recoil like a 40SW. It was accurate and I don't remember one dud in the bunch, but it was loud and snappy! Yeah, out of a carbine or a stout, quality 9mm (like my Isralei Hi-Power)...I'd run the stuff again, but it would never see action in my Luger or 225 SIG - why chance it? - Brickboy240 __________________ The top 25% of wage earners in America pay 86% of all federal income taxes collected. (according to 2007 IRS website data) Es mejor morir a pie que vivir arrodillado Volvo...the Swedish Brick!

04-27-2007, 10:14 AM	#6
ElJimmyStrappo XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: SE Idaho Posts: 1,320	You bought that from KY Imports right? I was lookin at that the other day, and it is quite cheap. Problem is the hard primers. I heard that it wasn't good for your gun. Also it says it is only for submachine guns. Let us know how it shoots in an XD will ya? __________________ The Carry: Springfield XD 9 Service - Crossbreed Supertuck & DGR with #16 and #22 springs. The Tack Driver: Sako Vixen L461 .222 Rifle with Bushnell 4X Scope A real tack driver! The Fun Gun: Marlin .22 LR with Bushnell 7X Scope The best weapon anyone can have: a brain. "The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental." -John Steinbeck "Beware the man who owns just one gun, he will know how to use it."

04-27-2007, 09:55 AM	#5
ChevellRCR XDTalk Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Lake Murray, SC Posts: 37	I have about 1800 rounds of some just about like it that my XD wont set off the primer. I wonder if there is a heavier spring I can use to get the job done?

06-21-2007, 02:31 PM	#8
Krackels XDTalk 15K Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Southeastern PA Posts: 19,820 Blog Entries: 6	Update: I loaded up my XD9 with a magazine of this ammo, and it was very finicky. Kinda went like this, click, (recock XD), boom, boom, click, (recock XD), click, (recock XD), click, (recock XD), click, (recock XD), boom But out of my AR15. I had 0 failures. Every round went BOOM. It did seem a little snappier than regular 9mm. All in all I'm happy to keep it for exclusive use in my carbine. __________________ "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." --Benjamin Franklin PA Roll Call

06-22-2007, 10:13 PM	#9
einheit 13 XDTalk 5K Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Virginia, C.S.A. Posts: 6,165	Use it in your rifles, its too hot to use in most pistols. __________________ Once is happenstance, twice is coincidence, the third time is enemy action Those that live by the sword...Get shot by those that don't!

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