10mm / 40 Caliber Reloading

[Steel1212]

165 grainers are going to make less back pressure....I think....therefore you would need more powder. Go to hodgdon.com and see what they say about that weight bullet with clays. I hear you need a smidge more but with clays I would definatly want a chrono as there isn't much room for error.

[brian40]

Originally Posted by Steel1212

165 grainers are going to make less back pressure....I think....therefore you would need more powder. Go to hodgdon.com and see what they say about that weight bullet with clays. I hear you need a smidge more but with clays I would definatly want a chrono as there isn't much room for error.

3.5 works great with the 165 gr plated bullet, I was wondering if any difference needed for plated vs jacketed? Hodgdon only lists 135 gr then goes to 180 gr.

[Steel1212]

just try your 3.5 load and see if it cycles. If you not looking for any power factor or anything go with what feels good and is accurate. Just keep an eye on your brass. Also are you useing a service or a tac?

[brian40]

Originally Posted by Steel1212

just try your 3.5 load and see if it cycles. If you not looking for any power factor or anything go with what feels good and is accurate. Just keep an eye on your brass. Also are you useing a service or a tac?

That is probably the best plan and what I will do. I am using a service with stock springs.

[Steel1212]

if your using a service and stock spring 3.0 should have cycled it fine?

[DNM]

According to Hodgon's Annual Manual. (2007)

For a 165 (Sierra) JHP
Clays (starting) 3.5gr @ 851fps and 29,900 PSI (140pf)
(max) 3.9gr @ 897fps and 33,300 PSI (148pf)

As for plated and jacketed... I believe I read somewhere that you treat a plated like a jacketed for powder charges. Don't quote me on that though.

[brian40]

Originally Posted by DNM

According to Hodgon's Annual Manual. (2007)

For a 165 (Sierra) JHP
Clays (starting) 3.5gr @ 851fps and 29,900 PSI (140pf)
(max) 3.9gr @ 897fps and 33,300 PSI (148pf)

As for plated and jacketed... I believe I read somewhere that you treat a plated like a jacketed for powder charges. Don't quote me on that though.

Thanks! They don't list that on thier website and I'm too cheap to buy a munaul

[brian40]

Originally Posted by Steel1212

if your using a service and stock spring 3.0 should have cycled it fine?

3.0 gr of Clays with 165 gr Rainier was where I learned the definition of a "bunny fart" load It would eject the case but the slide would not go back far enough to chamber the new round.

[DNM]

Less than 3.0gr of CLAYS is where I discovered the term squib. I bought the manual only because I may want to try new powders. But for now, I'll most likely buy a 4lbs. jug of CLAYS after I finish off this pound and then maybe try 231. But right now I have Titegroup which seems to work well. I can make minor and major with it and CLAYS where I can only make minor and IDPA loads. But I think CLAYS is softer than Titegroup at an estimated 130-140pf level.

[DNM]

I put another 297 rounds through the BiTone of 3.2gr of CLAYS under Berry's Plated 180gr FP. I put 3 roudns through the Black XD40 but they kept jamming. Failing to feed, though the BiTone gobbled them up. The accuracy was awesome and I've now put roughly 500 rounds of these load through the BiTone in about a week and haven't had an issue since the squibs. So, I'm pleased. I've actually made my first "good" load. I would shoot IDPA with this load on Saturday but I have to work. Boo on work. Next month. Damn, I love this load.

P.S. Though I did have a few times I pulled the trigger and nothing happened. I hadn't let the reset occur before I went for the second shot. I need a chrono and a trigger job now.