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NoBrAiNr · 11-14-2006, 09:07 AM

Ok, I was talking with a friend of mine who is a ccw holder in the great state of Pennsylvania. Since I am still doing research (while I accumulate funds for my first 'new' handgun), I asked him what he carried, how he carried, and what loads he used. I was frankly surprised by his response, and don't really know what to think of it. He said that he has a 9mm and the first 2 rounds are shotshells followed by hollowpoints. Any thoughts on this as a defensive round, or its effectiveness? BTW he carries a glock for those of you who simply must know.

**agalindo** · 11-14-2006, 09:21 AM

Your friend better hope he never has to defend his life with shotshells.
First off they won't cycle the gun so he'll have to manually chamber each round, second unless he's defending himself from rats, or snakes the shotshells won't do much good.

rwilson452 · 11-14-2006, 09:29 AM

And small rats at that.

Quote:

Originally Posted by agalindo

Your friend better hope he never has to defend his life with shotshells.
First off they won't cycle the gun so he'll have to manually chamber each round, second unless he's defending himself from rats, or snakes the shotshells won't do much good.

ichy_trigger · 11-14-2006, 09:30 AM

Your friend better hope someone smarter than himself is with him if a situation every arises that would call for an armed responce.

rwilson452 · 11-14-2006, 09:38 AM

I carry a 1911 mostly. At times I carry a S&W .38. When I get some more rounds out the barrel of my XD 45 service that will most likely become my primary.

I would suggest you fondle and shoot as many different pistols as you can. When you find "THE ONE" you will know. I don't care what it is but you must always remember, in the words of the late great Mr. Earp, "Speed is good, accuracy is final." What ever you pick you must be able to put the rounds where you want them.

NoBrAiNr · 11-14-2006, 09:49 AM

For myself, I am planning on getting the XD Service. Not sure of the caliber, but for the first one

I am planning on getting the 9mm. Cheaper to shoot and get more practice in. I don't want to start an ammo war here. I will eventually (if the wife lets me) get one of each caliber. For now, though, I am approx 6 mos away from getting the one...

You can be sure, based on what I have read in response to my friend's choices, that I will not be using any shotshells. He suffers from being an engineer. He overthinks things, and believes that things that he has worked out on paper will turn out that way in real life. Pray for him.

Thanks for your responses.

Pesty0311 · 11-14-2006, 10:06 AM

Wow your friend is stupid. Imagine everything he owns being the badguys after he shoots and injures him with shotshell.

Broadside · 11-14-2006, 10:08 AM

What is his reason behind the first 2 rnds of shot shell? He needs to read Box o Truth on shooting bird shot for Home Defense. It will help change his mind.

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot3.htm

NoBrAiNr · 11-14-2006, 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Broadside

What is his reason behind the first 2 rnds of shot shell? He needs to read Box o Truth on shooting bird shot for Home Defense. It will help change his mind.

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot3.htm

I have forwarded the link to him, and hopefully he will get rid of them in his carry pistol.

The reasoning was to deter the BG's w/o hurting them too much.

(Yeah, that's why I posted this in the first place). It did seem a bit too far out of the realm of logic to expect it to do much more than upset them even more.

Thanks again for the link, and maybe, just maybe you have saved his life.

jednp · 11-14-2006, 12:24 PM

Are you talking about the CCI shotshells? Don't even think about it!! I tested some out in my xd40. I got 1, just 1 to eject properly. Every other one stovepiped. they don't have enough charge in them to cycle the slide properly. And on top of that, they wouldn't penetrate worth crap. I tested on some drywall, and out of I think 12 shells, and however many BB's are in each one, I think less than a dozen BB's even barely penetrated two sheets of drywall. If your friend is interested in playing games with his life, then by all means advise him to carry shot shells. if he's interested in stopping a threat, and having ammo that cycles properly, tell him to carry regular ammo.

I still have a box that I didn't shoot of this stuff. I never just leave ammo alone, but this stuff was useless to me. i could shoot it, and just cycle the rounds manually when they jam, but that's about it. I might just have to waste it up one of these days, but as far as keeping it in my gun for anything other than messing around, no way.

11-14-2006, 09:07 AM	#1
NoBrAiNr XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Allegheny Co., PA Posts: 460	Shotshell as a defensive round Ok, I was talking with a friend of mine who is a ccw holder in the great state of Pennsylvania. Since I am still doing research (while I accumulate funds for my first 'new' handgun), I asked him what he carried, how he carried, and what loads he used. I was frankly surprised by his response, and don't really know what to think of it. He said that he has a 9mm and the first 2 rounds are shotshells followed by hollowpoints. Any thoughts on this as a defensive round, or its effectiveness? BTW he carries a glock for those of you who simply must know. __________________ There comes a time when a man has to grab a bull by the tail, and look the problem in the face!

11-14-2006, 09:30 AM	#4
ichy_trigger XDTalk 5K Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 7,547	Your friend better hope someone smarter than himself is with him if a situation every arises that would call for an armed responce. __________________ "The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself." http://militarysignatures.com/signatures/member2645.png

11-14-2006, 09:38 AM	#5
rwilson452 XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Elkland, PA Posts: 370	PA concealed carry I carry a 1911 mostly. At times I carry a S&W .38. When I get some more rounds out the barrel of my XD 45 service that will most likely become my primary. I would suggest you fondle and shoot as many different pistols as you can. When you find "THE ONE" you will know. I don't care what it is but you must always remember, in the words of the late great Mr. Earp, "Speed is good, accuracy is final." What ever you pick you must be able to put the rounds where you want them. __________________ "The question is not, Am I paranoid? It is, am I paranoid enough? USN Jan '62-Dec '81

11-14-2006, 09:49 AM	#6
NoBrAiNr XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Allegheny Co., PA Posts: 460	For myself, I am planning on getting the XD Service. Not sure of the caliber, but for the first one I am planning on getting the 9mm. Cheaper to shoot and get more practice in. I don't want to start an ammo war here. I will eventually (if the wife lets me) get one of each caliber. For now, though, I am approx 6 mos away from getting the one... You can be sure, based on what I have read in response to my friend's choices, that I will not be using any shotshells. He suffers from being an engineer. He overthinks things, and believes that things that he has worked out on paper will turn out that way in real life. Pray for him. Thanks for your responses. __________________ There comes a time when a man has to grab a bull by the tail, and look the problem in the face!

11-14-2006, 10:08 AM	#8
Broadside XDTalk 2K Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,913	What is his reason behind the first 2 rnds of shot shell? He needs to read Box o Truth on shooting bird shot for Home Defense. It will help change his mind. http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot3.htm __________________ XD - 9 Subcompact XD - 357 Service w/ SA Custom Carry Pro Pkg SA - Mil Spec 1911 A1

11-14-2006, 10:06 AM	#7
Pesty0311 XDTalk Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 39	Wow your friend is stupid. Imagine everything he owns being the badguys after he shoots and injures him with shotshell.

11-14-2006, 12:24 PM	#10
jednp XDTalk 4K Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Omaha, NE Posts: 4,691	Are you talking about the CCI shotshells? Don't even think about it!! I tested some out in my xd40. I got 1, just 1 to eject properly. Every other one stovepiped. they don't have enough charge in them to cycle the slide properly. And on top of that, they wouldn't penetrate worth crap. I tested on some drywall, and out of I think 12 shells, and however many BB's are in each one, I think less than a dozen BB's even barely penetrated two sheets of drywall. If your friend is interested in playing games with his life, then by all means advise him to carry shot shells. if he's interested in stopping a threat, and having ammo that cycles properly, tell him to carry regular ammo. I still have a box that I didn't shoot of this stuff. I never just leave ammo alone, but this stuff was useless to me. i could shoot it, and just cycle the rounds manually when they jam, but that's about it. I might just have to waste it up one of these days, but as far as keeping it in my gun for anything other than messing around, no way.

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