shot shells or similar

[guiltyimnot]

just curious if anyone has used these with an XD-40 service? I live in an apartment building and know I have kids next door and across the hall. Was wondering how well they feed as well as accuracy and any other info you might have. Thanks

http://www.sportsmansguide.com/cb/cb.asp?a=289683

[Kent]

They will not cycle the slide, do not even think about these for a self defense situation.


Kent

[The Knight Of Light]

Originally Posted by guiltyimnot

just curious if anyone has used these with an XD-40 service? I live in an apartment building and know I have kids next door and across the hall. Was wondering how well they feed as well as accuracy and any other info you might have. Thanks

http://www.sportsmansguide.com/cb/cb.asp?a=289683

Number 1
They do not "feed". They will not cycle the gun. You will have to hand cycle the gun

Number 2
It is not a question of accuracy but a question of whether or not they will produce a partern. I have seen the 44 versions in revolvers and they would make a patern at about 15 feet about 16in. Might be fun.

[jednp]

complete waste of money. I purchased 2 packs of them. I shot half of the one pack, and just let the rest sit. They fired just fine, but the problem is they didn't eject worth crap. Each one, failed to eject properly. I got a big stove pipe jam with them. The very first round loads fine, but doesn't eject. After they're fired, all it does is blast the top of the shell casing open. So esentially you somewhat have a casing that is like a normal sized round with a bullet still in it, with a little bit of split open edge blown out. That combined with low charge in the round, probably is why they don't cycle well. That being said, I do wonder if experimenting with a Dons Guide Rod, and a lighter spring, could one get them to cycle? I still don't know if I'd trust them to stop a threat. They may hurt someone, but I question their ability to quickly put someone down if that person is hell bent on taking your life.

I do have to say though, I tested shooting some drywall and it didn't penetrate much at all. Out of the probably 5 or 6 shots I fired at it, very few pellets penetrated. But I'd trust this more for a snake/small animal round than for home protection. They would just leave you high n dry in a situation like that.

I too found myself in your situation. Living in an apartment, I am worried about others around me. last thing I want is for my neighbor to be hurt if I have to protect myself. Only thing i can do, is just try to be dang sure my shots count and are placed well. Now I have to worry even more, right next to my bedroom, is my landlords bedroom! Definitely do NOT want to have a ND in my apartment now lol.

I don't know that any safety slugs would work well for less penetration in drywall. I don't know if anyone has tested them like that. If anyone has, inform us. I'm curious to know how they work with that. I know they may not be as lethal as a normal round, but for us apartment dwellers we have to balance on a fine line between stopping a threat, and worrying about harming our neighbors when we share a wall.

edited to add: yes, I did use these in an XD-40. And yes, they did pattern fairly well. I shot at about 15 feet I think, they did OK. I still wouldn't trust my life to them, ever.

[robinsre]

Agreed, have never shot them, but have seen them shot and have heard horror stories about their ineffectiveness.

I live in an apartment as well, thats why I invested the money in an inexpensive Mossberg pump action 12 Gauge. 12 Gauge is loaded with 1 round of bird shot followed by 5 rounds of 00 Buckshot. In the process of purchasing a short barrel and a pistol grip with a flip down shoulder rest. I feel the walls in my apartment are sufficently sturdy to stop both bird and buck shot, or at least to reduce the velocity of the shot to the point where it's lethality is almost negated.

- Ryan

[jednp]

Originally Posted by robinsre

Agreed, have never shot them, but have seen them shot and have heard horror stories about their ineffectiveness.

I live in an apartment as well, thats why I invested the money in an inexpensive Mossberg pump action 12 Gauge. 12 Gauge is loaded with 1 round of bird shot followed by 5 rounds of 00 Buckshot. In the process of purchasing a short barrel and a pistol grip with a flip down shoulder rest. I feel the walls in my apartment are sufficently sturdy to stop both bird and buck shot.

- Ryan

I've shot drywall with birdshot with my 12 guage, I think it was 8 shot. I wouldn't want to be on the other side of the wall lol. Although I'm sure it'd be worse having a pistol round coming through, but I still wouldn't want to have to risk something going through the wall. but, not much you can do when you are forced to defend yourself, just hope things go OK.

[robinsre]

Yeah, I know it will go through drywall It's still a threat I worry about. For me it was more of Risk Management than Risk Negation, I know the buckshot will be coming out of the wall at much lower velocity than a 9mm or .38 +P round. I'm also relying on the sort of "horror factor" involved with a pump action 12 gauge shotgun. Now, I would never stake my life on this, but having talked to many an individual on both sides of the law I know that a *Ka-Chuk* is generally enough to make most non-determined criminals turn tail and run, generally with a little more load in the seat of their pants than they previously had.

[The Knight Of Light]

Again they are not even designed to cycle semi autos.

[jednp]

Originally Posted by The Knight Of Light

Again they are not even designed to cycle semi autos.

They shouldn't say on the package that they are designed for semi-autos then. Kinda misleading. The first one will shoot just fine, after that, no luck. Wait, i think I might have gotten 1, just 1 to eject.

[Timmy44221]

You could use a glaser safty slug? Some are ver skepticle of them, but they will function reliably. But they do tend to make a more shallow and messy wound.