Titegroup + 45 ACP 230 gr Plated. Need Help.

[scooterj]

Originally Posted by M27

I have not used WST but I have used 231, It is good for slower velocities but I personally don't like it much for 45

231 is one of the dirtiest powders for reduced loads in any caliber.
Most all powders will burn cleaner when the pressures are higher.

[M27]

Originally Posted by scooterj

231 is one of the dirtiest powders for reduced loads in any caliber.
Most all powders will burn cleaner when the pressures are higher.

I agree, titegroup is the same way. Clean when hot, dirty when slow. But max loads of 231 with a 230gn bullet may not or barely reaches 800fps is what I was trying to explain.

[fredj338]

Originally Posted by M27

I agree, titegroup is the same way. Clean when hot, dirty when slow. But max loads of 231 with a 230gn bullet may not or barely reaches 800fps is what I was trying to explain.

Says who? I have run a few #s of W231 in the day, it easily makes ball equiv 830fps w/o getting to max. TG will reach max pressures sooner than W231 in most calibers.

[oldgunfan]

Originally Posted by fredj338

Says who? I have run a few #s of W231 in the day, it easily makes ball equiv 830fps w/o getting to max. TG will reach max pressures sooner than W231 in most calibers.

+1 on that. I don't know what he's be smokin but just about every champion shooter in 45 uses or has used W231, They may use WST now but if you ask them not one pro will say anything bad about W231. check your speer manual says 230grn gold dot 6.2 grns for 858fps hummm sounds good to me.

[Dirty Rod]

Originally Posted by oldgunfan

+1 on that. I don't know what he's be smokin but just about every champion shooter in 45 uses or has used W231, They may use WST now but if you ask them not one pro will say anything bad about W231. check your speer manual says 230grn gold dot 6.2 grns for 858fps hummm sounds good to me.

Agreed. The Hodgdon site that shows 832 and 834 for LRN and FMJ FP. My results with 230gr RN plated are ~750fps at 5.2 and 815-820 at 5.6. Lyman suggests 849fps at a 5.8 max load.

[yoteman]

I have to agree with the group of people that aren't so impressed by Titegroup. I bought a pound to try it out in my 9mm with 125gr. bullets. While it is okay it does not group as well as the Unique loads I used. I like the Unique powder for my 40cal. 165 grain bullets and like I said earlier the 9 with 125gr. bullets. On the plus side for Titegroup it sure does meter well with spot check loads rarely being more than a tenth of a grain off of where I set it. I am pretty sure I have bought my last pound of TG and will use it with the 9mm until it is gone.

[fredj338]

Originally Posted by yoteman

I have to agree with the group of people that aren't so impressed by Titegroup. I bought a pound to try it out in my 9mm with 125gr. bullets. While it is okay it does not group as well as the Unique loads I used. I like the Unique powder for my 40cal. 165 grain bullets and like I said earlier the 9 with 125gr. bullets. On the plus side for Titegroup it sure does meter well with spot check loads rarely being more than a tenth of a grain off of where I set it. I am pretty sure I have bought my last pound of TG and will use it with the 9mm until it is gone.

Never too late to come over from the dark side. Put the TG on the table & back away. Good job, now go buy some WST.

[JustSomeGuy]

Like others have mentioned, Titegroup runs REALLY hot compared to other powders. In a long course of fire, I once melted off a front sight using it in .40 cal. I had bought an 8lb jug of the stuff a few years ago on the advice of some IPSC guys and I still have over 7lbs of it left! I now use it only for minor if I am going to use up some of those "green" leadless primers I got during the "primer crises" a couple of years ago. It will work with those when other powders will not reliably light up.

WST is pretty good... but reverse temperature sensitive, so if you load towards the max and you shoot when it is near freezing it may be a bit over max pressure. Outside of that, it burns clean, works well with lead bullets, and meters pretty well. I tend more towards medium speed powders, of which there are plenty to choose from.

As to the fellow who got tumbling from his plated bullets... The only time I have heard of this happening was when the bullet was over-crimped, thus breaking the plating when the bullet was fired. Over-crimping a plated bullet plays havoc with the thin plating and should be avoided. In most cases, you only want to return the case diameter at the mouth to factory spec. The case itself, if properly sized, will hold the bullet in place without relying on the case mouth for extra grip.

But... Like Fred said, since the price of plated bullets is nearly the same or indeed greater than some jacketed bullets, it seems likely that most people will opt for the jacketed ones in most instances. Plain ol' lead bullets work just fine too, and are a lot cheaper whether bought or self cast. In a .45 for target work, lead is hard to beat!

[fredj338]

Originally Posted by JustSomeGuy

But... Like Fred said, since the price of plated bullets is nearly the same or indeed greater than some jacketed bullets, it seems likely that most people will opt for the jacketed ones in most instances. Plain ol' lead bullets work just fine too, and are a lot cheaper whether bought or self cast. In a .45 for target work, lead is hard to beat!

If ever there was a semiauto designed to shoot lead bullets, it's the 45acp/ The pressure & vel is right in the sweet spot for terrific results & little fuss getting there. Not only are the bullets cheaper, you are also using less pwoder for each round, so your shooting is cheaper still. Cast your own, you shoot cheaper than 22lr. Casting though is going the way of other dinosaur hobbies though as cheap/free lead is disapearing quickly. Yep, thank a liberal for that one too.

[yoteman]

Originally Posted by fredj338

Never too late to come over from the dark side. Put the TG on the table & back away. Good job, now go buy some WST.

Fred, you are correct, I should just shelf it and forget it. My Dad grew up during the depression and he would never allow anything like that. The stuff does make the gun go boom and the lead go forward. If he were still alive he would tell me what a fool I was for not using it. As long as it does that I am willing to put up with the stuff. Loaded about 500 rounds with it so far and unfortunately still have a good bunch of it yet to go. I guess it is inspiring me to shoot more just to use it up. Perhaps I have a little, or maybe a lot of my Dad in me.