9mm NATO WWB 1000 rds, $100!!! - XDTalk Forums - Your HS2000/SA-XD Information Source!

XDerminator · 07-15-2006, 03:45 PM

Just got back from our local indoor range, The Bullet Hole in Shawnee, and they got a whole shootload of WWB 9mm NATO ammo in that they said was some type of military overrun, and they're selling it for the same price as their 1000 rd. boxes of regular WWB 115gr. FMJ--that is, $100/1000 rds!!!

A great price for some great range ammo, in my estimation. BUT! My question is this--how many of you guys would be a little hesitant about shooting the heavier NATO load as your regular range ammo??? I'm not so concerned about "breaking" my XD as I am wearing it out faster. What do you guys think?

**Ed Ely** · 07-15-2006, 04:28 PM

I would stay away from it. NATO ammo is
not manufactured to SAMMI specs, it runs
at a much higher pressure.

But if you own anything in Class III, then
go for it!! thats a good price.

Ed

**einheit 13** · 07-15-2006, 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ed Ely

I would stay away from it. NATO ammo is
not manufactured to SAMMI specs, it runs
at a much higher pressure.

But if you own anything in Class III, then
go for it!! thats a good price.

Ed

Agreed, and not only that....who really made it-not Winchester.....revolver, carbine, or rifle ammo is what I'd use it for. I bought a .30 can of "NATO" over run one time. outta 1200rds, 300 were duds and all of it shot different.

"Standard" 9mm- 34,500-37,400psia
"Typical" Euro NATO 9mm- 42,000-43,500psia
+p/+p+ is 38,500/40,000 and up!
9mm 'Proof" loads can hit 49,000-51,600....that have been recorded so far!

Europeans do things different than our SAAMI too, so be careful.

ampleworks · 07-16-2006, 07:24 AM

I've shot the "whitebox" NATO before, honestly it wasn't any different than shooting those awful flippy 115s that everyone uses. Was a pain to cull that damned NATO brass out for reloading too!

More than likely, XDs over seas being used in military and police have probably already seen their share of this ammo and we'd be hearing something about it if there were XDs or HS2000 pistols blowing up/apart because of NATO ammo.

bobert1 · 07-16-2006, 02:32 PM

If you are familiar with power factors used in USPSA, WWB PF was 135 while the NATO PF was 154.

XDerminator · 07-19-2006, 01:02 PM

The USPSA power factor is not something I am highly familiar with, but from what I have read, even at the higher rating, it would not move this ammo/gun into the "major" category, which seems to suggest that there is nothing overpowering about the ammo.

The more I read about the whole "+p" and "+p+" and so on debate, the more I come to the conclusion that it's really a lot of mental masturbation. What I mean is, the XD is manufactured to be a potential military/police weapon, and therefore more than likely has relatively sturdy tolerances--at least one would expect. Also, the longer the gun is on the market and being used/shot, and the more time that passes without any kind of issues relating to using heavier loads arising, the more it seems that such worries are really in the category of negligible, wouldn't you agree?

Glockdude1 · 07-19-2006, 01:31 PM

I have a 9mm Uzi to feed, I would buy 2000rds ASAP at that price........

mgeoffriau · 07-19-2006, 01:41 PM

Hmm...if I had that Hi-Point carbine that I was looking for at the gunshow, I'd be all over that.

nightraider · 07-22-2006, 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mgeoffriau

Hmm...if I had that Hi-Point carbine that I was looking for at the gunshow, I'd be all over that.

Enjoy watching guns blow to pieces?

Mercmar · 07-24-2006, 07:39 PM

Well, if you're concerned about the XD's ability to shoot NATO 9mm, then there's always Glocks...they're designed to shoot NATO 9mm. (Well, obviously, they 9mm are.

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07-15-2006, 03:45 PM	#1
XDerminator XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Shawnee, KS Posts: 404	9mm NATO WWB 1000 rds, $100!!! Just got back from our local indoor range, The Bullet Hole in Shawnee, and they got a whole shootload of WWB 9mm NATO ammo in that they said was some type of military overrun, and they're selling it for the same price as their 1000 rd. boxes of regular WWB 115gr. FMJ--that is, $100/1000 rds!!! A great price for some great range ammo, in my estimation. BUT! My question is this--how many of you guys would be a little hesitant about shooting the heavier NATO load as your regular range ammo??? I'm not so concerned about "breaking" my XD as I am wearing it out faster. What do you guys think?

07-16-2006, 07:24 AM	#4
ampleworks XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Communistic Ohio Posts: 1,161	I've shot the "whitebox" NATO before, honestly it wasn't any different than shooting those awful flippy 115s that everyone uses. Was a pain to cull that damned NATO brass out for reloading too! More than likely, XDs over seas being used in military and police have probably already seen their share of this ammo and we'd be hearing something about it if there were XDs or HS2000 pistols blowing up/apart because of NATO ammo. __________________ *Ampleworks*

07-16-2006, 02:32 PM	#5
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07-19-2006, 01:31 PM	#7
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07-19-2006, 01:41 PM	#8
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07-15-2006, 04:28 PM	#2
Ed Ely XDTalk 5K Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: 37.65N -84.76W (Elev. 932 ft) Posts: 7,801 Blog Entries: 1	I would stay away from it. NATO ammo is not manufactured to SAMMI specs, it runs at a much higher pressure. But if you own anything in Class III, then go for it!! thats a good price. Ed

07-19-2006, 01:02 PM	#6
XDerminator XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Shawnee, KS Posts: 404	The USPSA power factor is not something I am highly familiar with, but from what I have read, even at the higher rating, it would not move this ammo/gun into the "major" category, which seems to suggest that there is nothing overpowering about the ammo. The more I read about the whole "+p" and "+p+" and so on debate, the more I come to the conclusion that it's really a lot of mental masturbation. What I mean is, the XD is manufactured to be a potential military/police weapon, and therefore more than likely has relatively sturdy tolerances--at least one would expect. Also, the longer the gun is on the market and being used/shot, and the more time that passes without any kind of issues relating to using heavier loads arising, the more it seems that such worries are really in the category of negligible, wouldn't you agree?

07-24-2006, 07:39 PM	#10
Mercmar XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,806	Well, if you're concerned about the XD's ability to shoot NATO 9mm, then there's always Glocks...they're designed to shoot NATO 9mm. (Well, obviously, they 9mm are. )

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