Opening an ammo can of worms:)

[Stogies]

Originally Posted by dglock

Look at some of the recent posts about premium ammo, some really bad stuff is being shipped!

I trust my reloads more then any factory rounds.

don

There are always some stories about ammo WITHOUT primers at Walmart and fries WITH fingers at McDonalds ... how much of that is true is another matter

[john_bud]

Originally Posted by fredj338

In a civil case though, good shoot or not, won't matter as much. It only takes a majority of the jury to find you guilty of willful negligence or some other such charge. Why risk it, you really can't reload better rounds than the best factory stuff.

Do you have any case histories to share where the use of reman ammo caused the person to be prosecuted or to lose a civil suit?


I can find none.

[dglock]

Originally Posted by Stogies

There are always some stories about ammo WITHOUT primers at Walmart and fries WITH fingers at McDonalds ... how much of that is true is another matter

All you have to do is look at this forum for photos of some of the crap factory ammo that is being shipped.

don

[Cuda66]

So?

So I have around that doesn't look right.

Easy--I DON'T USE IT. When it does happen, I'll usually just get rid of it; one round in a box is no reason to get one's undies in a twist (despite what you read in the occasional post on the subject), and even if it did, I'd just contact the manufactruer, who will almost always replace the box.

Personally, I don't see a single advantage to using handloads for carry/defense; you can't get most of the premium bullets used and the last time I checked low-flash propellents aren't available...saving a couple of cents per round just doesn't add up.

[fredj338]

Originally Posted by john_bud

Do you have any case histories to share where the use of reman ammo caused the person to be prosecuted or to lose a civil suit?


I can find none.

No, & I don't intend to search. I do know how the legal system works. OJ was found not guilty of murder but suffered a civil lawsuit. Remember, it only takes 50%+1 to render judgment & a good attorney is going use whatever you give home to get something for his client & himself. So common sense says I don't want to give them anything ammo (pun) to work with. Use a commercial round, that takes that away. JMO, go with what you like, but again, no handloader can make better rounds than current factory, they only think they can.
The argument would go something like this: "So Mr. Bud, why did you find it necessary to handcraft a super deadly JHP round to shoot my client & cripple him with"? Just how does was answer that one when factory ammo provides the answer for you: "All the local LEA use Brand 'A' ammo & that is the reason I chose that". It's a personnal pref, but understand, in most states, there WILL be a civil suit if you are involved in a shooting. Giving the scum bag lawyers free shots at you is stupid. Same reason I dont' post U-tube stuff of me shooting. All that will make it to a civil trial.

[agalindo]

I know of one well known incident where better ammo would have save two lives. Just because someone is shot it doesn't mean they will stop their attack. Movies are not real life, rarely does an attacker stop instantly after being shot nor do they start to cry.

[ta2dave76]

I'm happy all 50 of my rangerT 230 +p leo ammo worked perfectly in my 1911 this weekend. And I have 100 left in my ammo can. Minus the 16 in my mags.

[prof_fate]

Originally Posted by Stogies

Premium SD ammo is made with, well, premium components. Like low flash powders to preserve night vision etc, coated cases to prevent corrosion. It will cost a little more, true. Personally I find it acceptable to pay for a little extra piece of mind.

I bought some today...didn't have what I wanted, but had 4 or 5 brands to choose from. I wen't with name brand and the cheapest..$23/25 rounds less 15% off sale.
Bought two boxes - one to shoot and see how they do (feeding, aim/poi, recoil, flash).
They are 'fancy' jacketed hollow points in nickel cases. Fancy as in i can see it's not just a hole drilled/cast into the nose. It's also +p, which I'm not likely to reload myself.

Should I ever need to use it I have the defense of using factory ammo - and should it fail to fire or stop the bad guy I can sue the manufacturer for their bad ammo.

Practice wise I'll use my reloads - the cost 1/5th as much per round and will be 'close enough' for practice. Should the 'situation' arise my stress levels will no doubt have a lot to do with how well I shoot so I want the 'best' ammo I can have. I already know that in practice vs competition I shoot (score) 20% better. Add in what, darkness, waking up from a dead sleep, etc and I don't expect perfect placement of my rounds. So each one has to do it's fair share upon impact.

[fredj338]

Originally Posted by prof_fate

Should I ever need to use it I have the defense of using factory ammo - and should it fail to fire or stop the bad guy I can sue the manufacturer for their bad ammo.
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Good luck with that one! Once it's out of their store, they have no contrl over how it was stored or used. No, it falls on you.

[prof_fate]

Originally Posted by fredj338

Good luck with that one! Once it's out of their store, they have no contrl over how it was stored or used. No, it falls on you.

Sure...that's why mcdonalds paid money to the person that spilled coffee on themselves.

or this mess...employee of kahr stole a gun from the plant before it had a serial number. he traded it for drugs, that guy then trades it for drugs to a guy who then shoots someone. That someone sues Kahr and wins $600k.
Mass. gun-maker to pay $600K in gun-death lawsuit | Fox News
Excuse me, but that precedent means if a drug addict steals YOUR gun, sell si a couple of times to other addicts/criminals and then one of them shoots somebody its' YOUR fault!

So yeah, with a legal system like that if my factory ammo fails in any way I can sue - and quite possibly win.