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This is a discussion on Self Defense Ammo within the The Ammo Can forums, part of the Armory Talk category; Originally Posted by agalindo I don't bother buying gimmick ammo. I've seen the tests and it's not worth the extra money. Test: Double Tap 155 ...


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Old 02-26-2012, 10:36 PM   #71
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I don't bother buying gimmick ammo. I've seen the tests and it's not worth the extra money.

Test: Double Tap 155 gr Gold Dot vs. Speer 165 gr Gold Dot - M4Carbine.net Forums
doubletap don't even produce a .40 S&W 155gr round;
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Old 02-26-2012, 11:16 PM   #72
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doubletap don't even produce a .40 S&W 155gr round;
Not any more... they used to, though. DocGKR did those tests in 2009.


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Foot pounds of energy don't mean much when it comes to a good SD round, don't get caught up in that velocity and foot pounds thing.
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Old 02-27-2012, 01:17 PM   #74
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Ive see his channel, but a lot of people here really seem to look down on the "back yard you tubers" and think their test are pretty much worthless. They trust the "professionals" off other forums. But, imo, he has a decent channel, and I have been watching his "tests" on the ranger t's and the hst.
I've watched tnoutdoors9 and other YT channels and I'm lucky enough to live where I can do my own testing. I use four layers of denim and water jugs, which a bullet engineer at Speer said was "a fair test." I've found that from the XD9, all high quality HP's like Gold Dots and Ranger T seem to function well, and even cheaper stuff like the WWB 147gr. HPs are OK. I don't get carried away with what rounds I'm using so much as keeping in practice and hitting what I aim at.
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Old 02-27-2012, 04:47 PM   #75
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I've watched tnoutdoors9 and other YT channels and I'm lucky enough to live where I can do my own testing. I use four layers of denim and water jugs, which a bullet engineer at Speer said was "a fair test." I've found that from the XD9, all high quality HP's like Gold Dots and Ranger T seem to function well, and even cheaper stuff like the WWB 147gr. HPs are OK. I don't get carried away with what rounds I'm using so much as keeping in practice and hitting what I aim at.
I agree!
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Old 05-28-2012, 10:08 PM   #76
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Any further opinions on this? I'm about to order some golden saber +p 124 grain rounds. I've never shot +p rounds through my XDm before, is the difference in recoil noticeable? Strangely I can get the +p ones for cheaper than the standard.
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Old 05-29-2012, 07:51 AM   #77
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Agalindo, it looks like it's amateur night...

OK, first off, what Agalindo said is spot on--frangible rounds are next to useless. They tend to blow right through a wall and still be dangerous on the other side, but also tend to underpenetrate people to the point that they don't stop them fast. Mallninja wannabes tend to wet their pants over them, because they makes them watermelonz blow up real good on UToob. Against anything in the animal kingdom, however...worthless.

Second off--there is no "Best". That bears repeating, so let me say it again:

There is no "Best".

Why? Because what works best for me, in my gun, when I shoot it, may not be what works best in your gun when you shoot it...and not all guns/shooters are the same.

That being said, though...not all loads are created equal.

So: I suggest that folks with questions like this read these links:

Best Choices for Self Defense Ammo

Thoughts on Service Pistols, along with Duty and Self-Defense Ammo Recommendations - M4Carbine.net Forums

They list several loads that all have proven themselves to be excellent choices...and also explains the why as to them being excellent choices.

So, choose one of the loads listed (you may find that some are considerably more expensive and/or harder to find than others--but they all will perform more or less the same). Buy a box or two, and take it to the range. Load up your mags, and let fly. Fire at least one entire magazine out of every magazine you plan on using for defense. See if the load runs 100% reliably in your pistol in your hands, and see if you think it has acceptible control when rapid firing. If your pistol likes it, and you like it...why try something else? You've got something that you know works for you, instead of what some anonymous yahoo tells you in an internet forum. If it doesn't work..then start all over again.

I hope this actually helps you, instead of sombody just posting some bullet name that may or may not work in your gun.

ETA--Hornady Critcal Defects is one of those rounds that blowz up watermelonz real good on UToob. Avoid it.
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There is a difference. I've shot 9mm wwb and some other cheap stuff, reloaded my own and recently got some remington HD ammo.

Was at the range for a PPC match and after shot some of the remington stuff. Less recoil compared to my reloads (which are near min loads and same weight bullet) and much more accurate (disappointing that my reloads are not as good). Most accurate ammo I've shot in my XD. Got 6 of 8 rounds at 1.5" group at 12 yards with 2 fliers pushing it to 2.5" group. Loved the low recoil! Must find a powder like that!

Supposedly HD ammo uses low flash powders to keep from blinding you at night.
I bought 2 boxes (50 rounds) one to practice with and one to keep in the gun. Tests show it/I shoot well so no more testing needed IMO. Total spent was $40. Well worth it IMO to have 'reliable' ammo (sealed, nickel cases, etc).
I see no need to test penetration or lack thereof (in walls).

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Any further opinions on this? I'm about to order some golden saber +p 124 grain rounds. I've never shot +p rounds through my XDm before, is the difference in recoil noticeable? Strangely I can get the +p ones for cheaper than the standard.
More recoil for not much more penetration. I used to insist on +p for my SD rounds, but not any more. More recoil can mean less controlled rapid fire, and the benefit doesn't outweigh that.

For what it's worth, I use Federal HST 124gr.
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