Average Cost to Reload .40

[fredj338]

Originally Posted by Boris

First off you are not talking to a rookie here. It's obvious you, like Fred have not fired factory ammo in a very long time and your safety glasses are very foggy from the years of use. Factory ammo just a short 20 years ago was indeed crap. You could expect complete misfire ammo, as in fully dented primer, within a mere thousand rounds. That ain't happening these days. You also seem to not understand that the starting out loader is not going to load their first rounds with projectiles made on their home alchemy set hey got at the freight store, because the freight store don't sell that equipment any more. They will order a projectile they know is of the quality they want and it will be a twenty cent or higher costing projectile. Remember now these folks haven't been meltin lead for 20 years plus like you have and aren't comfortable with it. When it comes to brass I take loading safety a step farther than Fred does. Never fire another's reload and never use another's unwanted brass. I have seen guns Kb, and in every case where I knew the shooter, he used unwanted orphan brass. You might be fine with it, you might be fine with telling a noob they are fine doing it. Do you think a noob will know what an over worked piece of brass will look like? It might be obvious to you and I, but a noob will not know until the slide and barrel of their over priced 1911 is split wide open.

If you want to load ammo of at the minimum of the same quality as today's higher quality and less costly ammo then you are going to have to pay extra for them components. You are fine with alchemy and scrounging brass so you can shoot über cheap, go for it. Where you are failing in your advice is you make it sound as if the new reloaded will have ammo as high of quality with alchemists loads as they can go buy and that is not a fact or the truth by a long stretch.

You might be able to bedazzle a rookie loader or a non reloaded with your numbers. Not me. I know it's a lower quality (I don't care about the pride you put in your loads, your pride don't equal the quality I am looking for) round because I have loaded more ammo than ten of the best so called experts here combined (most likely).

Don't get butt hurt when I show a noob or a non reloaded the reality that awaits them when they assemble ammo that matches what they are buying. The fact is, that I have proven for everyone to see, if you do assemble them same exact spec loads as factory, well you just wasted the cost of the equipment, wasted the time to hunt down the cheapest possible powder and primers and still have to consider scrounging brass or the added cost of buying brass or the cost of a case of ammo so you can recover 70% of that brass to load your own.

Reality of it is vastly different than how you paint the picture. Don't like facts being presented? Like I said, I ain't no rookie and am far from being a noob. You cannt fool me with your numbers. Now go back to your alchemy and go pick p some more unwanted brass so you can crunch them numbers down.

You can reload cheaper than factory costs, the offset is you will need to use projectiles of lesser pedigree and go plated or straight lead and use powders from the early 20th century that are dirty. Loading with the better components is where it becomes a waste of money and time. That same projectile back in the mid 90s was under $100.00 for the same quantity. Factory ammo was also more costly. Now just imagine what the savings back then was. To assemble rounds of the same cost as mid 90s reloaded ammo you have to buy lesser quality components.

Where do you not understand that?

Boris you are so full of yourself & you absoulutely have no frickin idea what you are talking about. I see 1000s of factory rounds fired every weekend, Many, many fail to fire. Most are shooting the cheaper WWB or Tual/Wolf or Fedral. You are actually going to try & compare their bullets, powders & steel cases to quality handloaded stuff? You really have been out of the game for too long.
Bullets & powders available cheaply today, are better quality than what you find in most cheaper factory products like Wolf, UMC & WWB. If one chooses, the could even make a more accurate round using very cheap lead bullets, but no, prices I quote are for FMJ bullets available to anyone willing to buy 2K worth. The only ones buying 20c bullets are those that do not know better. The primers are the same as used in factory ammo & most brass is equal to or better than the cheaper factory stuff, even after it has been loaded 10X.
Continue to ignore facts & your cred just isn't there my friend. You have no idea what you are talking about in regards to reloading or components available today & the cost. The numbers are right in front of your stubborn face, accept the fact you are wrong & move on. You only make yourself look ridiculous. Sad. Reapeat after me; 1+1=2, always has, always will. Is reloading for everyone? Hell no! Do you save moeny per round reloading? Hell yeah! Facts are facts, tough to get around them, but you certainly can ignore them as you have been.

[thrash]

How many times can .40 brass be reloaded for an XDm? I'm about to get into reloading myself, but the "guys at the gun shop" said that .40 is too high pressure to be fired more than 2 or 3 times thru a pistol with an unsupported breach. (yeah I get that they're tryin to sell me more ammo, I'm just looking for an objective opinion)

[Boris]

Originally Posted by fredj338

Boris you are so full of yourself & you absoulutely have no frickin idea what you are talking about. I see 1000s of factory rounds fired every weekend, Many, many fail to fire. Most are shooting the cheaper WWB or Tual/Wolf or Fedral. You are actually going to try & compare their bullets, powders & steel cases to quality handloaded stuff? You really have been out of the game for too long.
Bullets & powders available cheaply today, are better quality than what you find in most cheaper factory products like Wolf, UMC & WWB. If one chooses, the could even make a more accurate round using very cheap lead bullets, but no, prices I quote are for FMJ bullets available to anyone willing to buy 2K worth. The only ones buying 20c bullets are those that do not know better. The primers are the same as used in factory ammo & most brass is equal to or better than the cheaper factory stuff, even after it has been loaded 10X.
Continue to ignore facts & your cred just isn't there my friend. You have no idea what you are talking about in regards to reloading or components available today & the cost. The numbers are right in front of your stubborn face, accept the fact you are wrong & move on. You only make yourself look ridiculous. Sad. Reapeat after me; 1+1=2, always has, always will. Is reloading for everyone? Hell no! Do you save moeny per round reloading? Hell yeah! Facts are facts, tough to get around them, but you certainly can ignore them as you have been.

You are the one ignoring certain facts. The guy you migh con into reloading who shoots 1-2k a year and doesn't have an alchemy set is the one that will hesitate to buy 1k of projectiles for fear of spending too much on one kind of projectile. You are not doing them any service quoting five cent rounds. If you would have given the entire spectrum of loading your own I would not have given the other extremes of the spectrum.

If you talk someone into reloading telling them every load they make will be five cents you did bad by them. Nothing good about that at all. We both know five cent loads can be done. Is the guy starting out going to do that. Heck no Fred and you know it. Stopp asserting that reloading is über cheap. It does prospects no good. Help them out with factual information, all the facts. And STOP implying a noob is going to get five cent loads off the bat. It doesn't work that way when you log on to the reality web and you know it. Shame on you.....

[fredj338]

Originally Posted by thrash

How many times can .40 brass be reloaded for an XDm? I'm about to get into reloading myself, but the "guys at the gun shop" said that .40 is too high pressure to be fired more than 2 or 3 times thru a pistol with an unsupported breach. (yeah I get that they're tryin to sell me more ammo, I'm just looking for an objective opinion)

Pure gunshop employee BS. If you reload 40s to max, hell, load any cartridge to max pressures, cases will have a shorter life. Keep the 40 loads below max, use slower powders to reduce pressures, you can load a 40 case a min of 10X. You'll likely lose it before you wear it out.

[fredj338]

Originally Posted by Boris

You are the one ignoring certain facts. The guy you migh con into reloading who shoots 1-2k a year and doesn't have an alchemy set is the one that will hesitate to buy 1k of projectiles for fear of spending too much on one kind of projectile. You are not doing them any service quoting five cent rounds. If you would have given the entire spectrum of loading your own I would not have given the other extremes of the spectrum.

If you talk someone into reloading telling them every load they make will be five cents you did bad by them. Nothing good about that at all. We both know five cent loads can be done. Is the guy starting out going to do that. Heck no Fred and you know it. Stopp asserting that reloading is über cheap. It does prospects no good. Help them out with factual information, all the facts. And STOP implying a noob is going to get five cent loads off the bat. It doesn't work that way when you log on to the reality web and you know it. Shame on you.....

Boris you are truely comprehension challenged. Reread my posts, I have NEVER stated you can reload for 5c/rd, never. I ALWAYS quote current cost based on easily obtained, quality components. I defy you to find otherwise, you are now actually lying Boris, unbecoming of you. Reread post #63, I stated that a guy shooting 1200rds a year is probably not a candidate for reloading, but even if one DOES choose to reload, they will eventually save money doing it vs just having a dirty gun & their "investment" in equip can be sold & recouped @ about 80% of cost. Yes, reloading is NOT for everyone but you can save at least 50% on your cost of ammo AFTER the equip cost has been amortized. Hopefully that clears it up for you. I think the smarter forum members can do the math & are not confused. I was never confused.

[mongovb]

Boris and Fred, you two need to quit arguing or we will have to put you two in separate threads!

[Talon]

Originally Posted by thrash

How many times can .40 brass be reloaded for an XDm? I'm about to get into reloading myself, but the "guys at the gun shop" said that .40 is too high pressure to be fired more than 2 or 3 times thru a pistol with an unsupported breach. (yeah I get that they're tryin to sell me more ammo, I'm just looking for an objective opinion)

Inspection and attention to detail is the key to re-using brass. When you pick up range brass,or purchase used brass you really don't know how many times its been re-loaded,or the pressures it was exposed to.


FWIW
*Tumble all brass, inspect for over pressure signs and stress fractures
* Always check the primers for over flow, protrusions, or punched through.
*Pay attention to deprime and priming resistence.
*Inspect all rounds as you load your magazines.

[rfkhunter]

If it's something you enjoy, I guess it's worth doing. For me not enough cost savings to waste my time.

[fredj338]

Originally Posted by mongovb

Boris and Fred, you two need to quit arguing or we will have to put you two in separate threads!

I'm done, you know what they say about arguing w/ an-----. I'll be nice, it's Xmas after all. Maybe Santa will bring B a late XMas present of a calculator.

[Boris]

Originally Posted by fredj338

I'm done, you know what they say about arguing w/ an-----. I'll be nice, it's Xmas after all. Maybe Santa will bring B a late XMas present of a calculator.

The thingy I post with has a calc. The amazing part is I remember from grade school that if you have $220.00 and want to know what's single piece out of one thousand will cost if the total of them thousand pieces is $220.00, well even my kid in grade school can tell you just move the decimal point over 3 spaces.

Too easy.

Yes I am an a$$ Fred. If that's what it takes to show a potential noob what reality awaits them, I would be an a$$ to my brother (real brother) to let people know it takes a bunch of extra labor, skill, knowledge and experience to get that low. It ain't gonna happen by buying a box of projectiles........