XD Talk

XDJSR33 · 10-25-2011, 07:00 PM

How easy is it to find the HST rounds? Are they LE only? I can find the HS rounds no problem....but why can't I find any place that sells the HSTs?

Are the new Federal Premium Personal Defense rounds, which are listed as Hyrda-Shok JHP the same as the Federal Premium LE HSTs?

I'd love to pick these up in both 9mm and 40 cal.

digitalexplr · 10-25-2011, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by XDJSR33

How easy is it to find the HST rounds? Are they LE only? I can find the HS rounds no problem....but why can't I find any place that sells the HSTs?

Are the new Federal Premium Personal Defense rounds, which are listed as Hyrda-Shok JHP the same as the Federal Premium LE HSTs?

I'd love to pick these up in both 9mm and 40 cal.

Try ammunitiontogo.com.

Hydra-shock are old tech. HST's are new tech.

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rhildinger · 10-26-2011, 10:35 AM

Thanks for the link!

jwash3rd · 10-28-2011, 07:25 AM

+1 on Ammunition to go. They carry 50 round boxes of Speer, Ranger T and Federal at decent prices. As an added bonus for residents of the People's Republic of Illinois, you do not need to send them a copy of your FOID.

teej · 10-30-2011, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by gunnut1012

im new to the fourm and this question might have already been answered on here so forgive me if it is.

i am loooking for a low grain 9mm hollow point self defense round for CC. i want a round that has good expansion but is not going to over pentrate and hurt some one behind the threat. any one have a round in mind that can do this?

OP, you didn't mention what make and model 9mm you want this info for? It can make a difference. For example; some sub-compact models have issues when using 147grn ammo.

I use either Federal Hydra-shok, but mostly now I use Hornady Critical Defense ammo. This round has a very high expansion performance level and these 9mm mushroom to the size of a dime.

Cuda66 · 10-30-2011, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by teej

OP, you didn't mention what make and model 9mm you want this info for? It can make a difference. For example; some sub-compact models have issues when using 147grn ammo.

I use either Federal Hydra-shok, but mostly now I use Hornady Critical Defense ammo. This round has a very high expansion performance level and these 9mm mushroom to the size of a dime.

I see this claim bandied about quite a bit, but speaking as someone who as owned several models of subcompact 9mm, and knows folks who have even more...I've never seen a "trend" of subs disliking the 147. Some individual guns, yes...but I've also seen full-size 9mm's dislike certain rounds...but the next identical pistol likes 'em just fine.

Which is why, of course, we should always test our carry ammo to see if OUR gun in OUR hands likes it.

And HCD is a poorly performing round. Lightweight bullets have nasty tendency of underpenetrating, and underpenetration is never a good thing.

XDJSR33 · 11-01-2011, 02:41 AM

I understand the issues people have with the Critical Defense rounds (penetration, expansion, etc)....is the TAP line any better?
I have some of the Hornady TAP CQ in 124gr 9mm, and the TAP FPD .223 in 60gr.
Both load, feed, shoot just fine. Are this just a relabeled CD's? Or are they truly a better round?

Boris · 11-01-2011, 02:58 AM

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Originally Posted by XDJSR33

I understand the issues people have with the Critical Defense rounds (penetration, expansion, etc)....is the TAP line any better?
I have some of the Hornady TAP CQ in 124gr 9mm, and the TAP FPD .223 in 60gr.
Both load, feed, shoot just fine. Are this just a relabeled CD's? Or are they truly a better round?

The TAP is loaded with the XTP projectile and it is one of the best projectiles you could Carry. Even the 115 XTP will ogive you enough penetration.

Trash the FTX round and carry the XTP loaded TAP rounds

XDJSR33 · 11-01-2011, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Boris

The TAP is loaded with the XTP projectile and it is one of the best projectiles you could Carry. Even the 115 XTP will give you enough penetration.

Trash the FTX round and carry the XTP loaded TAP rounds

OK...So both of these are good? Both the 9mm and the .223 are the TAP line...I don't have any of the CD line (glad I never picked those up)

**agalindo** · 11-01-2011, 02:51 PM

.223 tap is good 9mm TAP is OK there are better newer disigns. Pistol tap rounds are an older design that tend to expand less and penetrate more. Good for hunting but when you might have to shoot through intermediate barriers there are better HPs such as HST and Gold Dots. These tend to expand a bit more reliably through barriers.