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This is a discussion on Self Defense Ammo within the The Ammo Can forums, part of the Armory Talk category; OK, so some questions about 124 gr. vs. 147 gr. in my XD9. Talking hollow points here for protection. Also, any comments on standard hollow ...


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Old 02-16-2011, 11:28 AM   #1
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Self Defense Ammo

OK, so some questions about 124 gr. vs. 147 gr. in my XD9. Talking hollow points here for protection. Also, any comments on standard hollow point vs. the "+P" ammo. I see that Remington has 124 gr. Golden Saber hollow points for $15/box of 25 and the "+P" same load is $1/bullett. Looking for your feedback.
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Any of these will work fine. Personally I use the 147gr Golden Sabers in my nightstand gun. Just make sure what ever you pick, to try in you gun before you depend on them.

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Barnes XPB 105 & 115 gr JHP (copper bullet)
Federal Tactical 124 gr JHP (LE9T1)
Speer Gold Dot 124 gr +P JHP
Winchester Ranger-T 124 gr +P JHP (RA9124TP)
Winchester Partition Gold 124 gr JHP (RA91P)
Winchester Ranger-T 127 gr +P+ JHP (RA9TA)
Federal Tactical 135 gr +P JHP (LE9T5)
Federal HST 147 gr JHP (P9HST2)
Remington Golden Saber 147 gr JHP (GS9MMC)
Speer Gold Dot 147 gr JHP
Winchester Ranger-T 147 gr JHP (RA9T)
Winchester 147 gr bonded JHP (RA9B/Q4364)
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Old 02-16-2011, 11:54 AM   #3
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9 mm:
Barnes XPB 105 & 115 gr JHP (copper bullet)
Federal Tactical 124 gr JHP (LE9T1)
Speer Gold Dot 124 gr +P JHP
Winchester Ranger-T 124 gr +P JHP (RA9124TP)
Winchester Partition Gold 124 gr JHP (RA91P)
Winchester Ranger-T 127 gr +P+ JHP (RA9TA)
Federal Tactical 135 gr +P JHP (LE9T5)
Federal HST 147 gr JHP (P9HST2)
Remington Golden Saber 147 gr JHP (GS9MMC)
Speer Gold Dot 147 gr JHP
Winchester Ranger-T 147 gr JHP (RA9T)
Winchester 147 gr bonded JHP (RA9B/Q4364)
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Try out as many as you can and go with what you shoot best.
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Like the other said, try them out, see what works best/better with your specific pistol, in your hands. Just go down that list, and knock them out.

My full-sized XDm9 as well as the 3.8 Compact will eat pretty much anything, without fail, but I like the Federal HST 147 gr. I also know that she'll eat the Speer GDHP 147 gr. just fine, so that's a backup (which my local shops reliably stock), in case I ever have trouble sourcing the former.

On my Ruger SR9c, for some reason, I can't get the Cor-Bon DPX 115 gr. +P (Barnes bullet above, the first one on the list) to feed reliably.

Test out your chosen round, on your SD/HD pistol(s). It's the only way to know, for sure.
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The list in in no particular order. The barnes are not on top because the performed the best, actually the heaver bullets performed the best.
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147gr FMJ

My XDM 9mm 3.8 loves the 147gr FMJ RA9147FMJ Winchester Ranger from sgammo.com
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Any of the top lines will serve you well: Corbon, Speer, Winchester, Hornady, etc. I'm sure I missed someone's favorite.

I'm not a fan of 147 gr. in short barrels. I believe it's hard to get the bullet up to a good velocity without some heavy recoil. I favor the 124 gr., but have carried Corbon's DPX 115 gr. I'm currently carrying 124 gr. JHP +p Speer Golt Dot, either the Personal Protection or the Short Barrel.

The +p is well worth it. Extra velocity and not THAT much extra recoil.

I'm not one to count costs when picking an SD ammo.

Do a Google for ballistics tests and make your choice. Whatever you choose, run a hundred or so through your gun to test for reliability and POA.
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Actually winchester recommends the heaver bullet for shorter barrels.

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When we redesigned the Ranger T Series of ammunition we widened the velocity window under which the round would expand to allow for the slower velocities that shorter than standard barrels produce. What this means is that if you own a standard or sub compact pistol the round should have adequate expansion. In 9mm I would recommend the 147 grain bullet as it loses a lower velocity percentage than the faster lighter bullet in shorter than normal barrels. This is because the bullet has more dwell time in the bore and has a greater opportunity to burn the powder before the bullet exits the bore. Powder that is burned outside the bore does nothing for velocity. The lighter faster bullets generally have more powder to burn and since the lighter faster bullets have less time in the bore they are not efficient burners of powder in the shorter barrels.

We increased the velocity window under which the round would expand by increasing the size of the hollowpoint, tweaking the jacket thickness and the depth of the cuts on the inside of the jacket petal segments.

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Maybe that's true for Winchester's bullet design and load/type of powder. It's hard to beat Speer and Corbon's ballistics, though.
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From what I've heard from Doc Roberts he's not all that impressed with Corbons.
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