$54.99 good for 250 rounds of 9mm?

[StrangerDanger]

Think of your investments as a hedge against inflation or future bans or taxation. You hear people crying about how they wish they had stockpiled when prices were cheaper.

When I bought my press, I went all out and spent about two grand on equipment. This is for everything in three calibers. I kick myself in the ass for not buying this setup 10 years ago. There are guys who buy 10 guns randomly and rarely use them. The safe is full of crap. They spent three times what I did on a press and have little to show for it.

Buy once, cry once and your shooting hobby or training will improve. You'll shoot more for the same dollar as before.

The cheapest garbage 9mm ammo is around 24 dollars after taxes. The Winchester White box. Mine cost 1/3 of that. It takes me about an hour and a half to load a 1000 rounds. That's a 160 dollar difference. My hour and a half is worth 160.00.

Move on to 45acp and my loading costs are around 10.50 to 11.00 dollars per 100 for 230gn lrn. Last I checked, a 100 factory rounds cost around 35 - 40 dollars for Winchester Value pack crap.

.223 costs about 16 cents each. So 16.00 per 100. Bulk buying of factory ammunition is between 36 and 45 cents each.

To me, it is absolutely worth it!

[JacketShot]

Originally Posted by StrangerDanger

Think of your investments as a hedge against inflation or future bans or taxation. You hear people crying about how they wish they had stockpiled when prices were cheaper.

AGREED! That is my big concern...and although I can afford to pay more/round, the worry about availability in the future is VERY REAL.

Originally Posted by StrangerDanger

When I bought my press, I went all out and spent about two grand on equipment. This is for everything in three calibers. I kick myself in the ass for not buying this setup 10 years ago. There are guys who buy 10 guns randomly and rarely use them. The safe is full of crap. They spent three times what I did on a press and have little to show for it.

Yeah, it is funny to see SO MANY gun collectors that don't shoot them. I want to get good at shooting...and KEEP SHOOTING!

Originally Posted by StrangerDanger

Buy once, cry once and your shooting hobby or training will improve. You'll shoot more for the same dollar as before.

The cheapest garbage 9mm ammo is around 24 dollars after taxes. The Winchester White box. Mine cost 1/3 of that. It takes me about an hour and a half to load a 1000 rounds. That's a 160 dollar difference. My hour and a half is worth 160.00.

Move on to 45acp and my loading costs are around 10.50 to 11.00 dollars per 100 for 230gn lrn. Last I checked, a 100 factory rounds cost around 35 - 40 dollars for Winchester Value pack crap.

.223 costs about 16 cents each. So 16.00 per 100. Bulk buying of factory ammunition is between 36 and 45 cents each.

To me, it is absolutely worth it!

What is your setup, equipment-wise?

[StrangerDanger]

Nothing drastic. Dillon 650xl with the case feeder. I have die plates set up for each of my three calibers plus a prep plate for my .223 that has the Dillon trimmer. I got the large Dillon tumbler and media seperator. I process a lot of range brass. I've actually paid for half of my equipment by collecting, cleaning and selling brass in calibers I have no use for.
I also got the Dillon primer pocket swagger.

I also have a rcbs single stage that I have a universal deprimer on. I deprimer all collected brass that I intend to sell.

I also got both a large and small primer system to reduce caliber change times. Get some extra primer tubes to speed up you're loading. I have 5 of each size. 10 would be better though for me.

I jumped into the 650 with very little previous experience. I can barely change my own oil, but I found this to be fairly simple to set up and learn the ropes on. I find the 650 to be safer than the 550 because it makes it very hard to double charge a case. The auto index system keeps things moving along. With the 550, if you fail to index the plate, you could double charge it if you're not paying attention.

I watched a lot of videos on YouTube where guys were setting up the equipment and showing how it works. It was quite helpful.

I considered getting the 1050, but it wasn't worth the added cost in my opinion. The caliber changes were very expensive and time consuming.

[Sport45]

Originally Posted by 1852legend

The gun was new and I was later told not to shoot lead through a brand new gun so I dont know who is really at fault.

Whoever told you that was at fault. I have several guns that have never had their bores fouled with a full length gas checked bullet. There is absolutely nothing wrong with shooting lead in new or used gun. Unless, of course, it has the polygonal rifling and then you have to be careful with lead.

[coachrose]

Originally Posted by Sport45

Whoever told you that was at fault. I have several guns that have never had their bores fouled with a full length gas checked bullet. There is absolutely nothing wrong with shooting lead in new or used gun. Unless, of course, it has the polygonal rifling and then you have to be careful with lead.

What guns would have polygonal rifling? I know they used to use them, but are there any modern weapons that still do? Just curious.

[StrangerDanger]

Glock, some HK and Desert Eagles have polygonal rifling. Some ar15 barrels do, but they won't be seeing lead.

[coachrose]

Originally Posted by StrangerDanger

Glock, some HK and Desert Eagles have polygonal rifling. Some ar15 barrels do, but they won't be seeing lead.

What is the reasoning behind it? Does it give the gun more/less accuracy, allow for higher velocity, or other? Just for my own curiosity.

[jtkratzer]

Originally Posted by StrangerDanger

Glock, some HK and Desert Eagles have polygonal rifling. Some ar15 barrels do, but they won't be seeing lead.

Add Kahr to that list.

[StrangerDanger]

They claim that you'll see higher fps compared to a similar standard rifling length barrel. They are also easier to clean. While they are accurate, most bench rest shooters go with standard rifling.
Many Glock owners will get an aftermarket barrel with standard rifling so they can shoot lead rounds.

[coachrose]

Originally Posted by StrangerDanger

They claim that you'll see higher fps compared to a similar standard rifling length barrel. They are also easier to clean. While they are accurate, most bench rest shooters go with standard rifling.
Many Glock owners will get an aftermarket barrel with standard rifling so they can shoot lead rounds.

Alright, last question. Why does lead hurt that type of barrel, seems like a barrel without rifling would handle lead better than one with?