Are we better off with a 45acp fmj than a 45acp jhp w/c jacket separates

[tonysoprano]

since most non law enforcement hollow point ammo tends to experience jacket separation, are we better off using fmj. Its a 45acp after all and its non expanded diameter is equal to some expanded 9mm cartrige.

what is loss if the jacket separates from the core upon nexpansion of HP's?

[rayikeo2]

Originally Posted by tonysoprano

since most non law enforcement hollow point ammo tends to experience jacket separation, are we better off using fmj. Its a 45acp after all and its non expanded diameter is equal to some expanded 9mm cartrige.

what is loss if the jacket separates from the core upon nexpansion of HP's?

The new self defense ammo does not seperate. If yours does you need to be looking for a different brand of ammo! I am sure there will be a lot of suggestions posted here.

[Johnnybgood]

UMM...I have no idea what ammo is in question here. There is so much quality ammo to choose from that you would have to buy junk on purpose. No disrespect intended but it seems you have been misinformed concerning quality ammo being available to the general public.

[fltbed]

Originally Posted by tonysoprano

since most non law enforcement hollow point ammo tends to experience jacket separation, are we better off using fmj. Its a 45acp after all and its non expanded diameter is equal to some expanded 9mm cartrige.

what is loss if the jacket separates from the core upon nexpansion of HP's?

The last time I saw a jacket/core “separation” in testing was way back when I was testing the then new Winchester black talons. It was a 9mm 147 gr. That we shot into standard winter clothing over a gelatin block. When I cut the bullet out I picked it up by the jacket and the lead core fell out. I guess you could call that a jacket/core separation, if you want to get technical.

I have seen Cor-bon’s 165 gr. 45acp+P turn into small shrapnel. Shot into a gelatin block covered with four layers of denim. Made a really nasty wound channel, only penetrating about 8“-10”. Reminded me of a contact shotgun wound.

Jeff

[agalindo]

Originally Posted by tonysoprano

since most non law enforcement hollow point ammo tends to experience jacket separation,

what is loss if the jacket separates from the core upon nexpansion of HP's?

That is an incorrect assumption. Quality HPs, of modern design, do not suffer from jacket separation.

The loss is in projectile weight which leads to insufficient penetration.

[fredj338]

WHile it may happen, it matter little. In a 230grJHP, the jacket weighs about 30gr. Even if it separates, you still have some expansion & a 200gr core. You may give up some penetration, but a 200gr bullet still has quite a bit of mass. Non issue IMO. Bonded JHP are better for barrier penetration. A good standards cup/core JHP works fine.

[Mercmar]

since most non law enforcement hollow point ammo tends to experience jacket separation,

When you ask a question based on a ridiculous, fallacious premise, don't expect to get anything but ridiculous, inaccurate information in reply!

[tonysoprano]

i have remington golden sabers 230gr bullet. i have seen in youtube where the jacket separated in water expansion test. There are numerous post in this forum saying that say golden saber's jacket separated during testing. This is what i am refering to since i own golden sabers myself. GOLDEN SABERS cannot be considered cheap and i surely didnt buy it on purpose because it is cheap. I bought it because i believe remington ammos are of good quality. But i started having second thoughts about HP's after reading reviews in this forum about the GS which i use as my defensive ammo.

[agalindo]

First off I've never read of any testing using IWBA or FBI protocols that mention golden sabers having consistent jacket separation, second using winchester bonded, gold dots,HST, corbon dpx will give you very good expansion and penetration without the jacket seperation. Just because you've seen youtube videos of golden sabers with jacket seperation doesn't mean that "ALL" HPs in .45 have the problem and it doesn't mean that the golden sabers consitantly shed thier jackets when encounting real bad guys or properly conducted tissue simulant tests.

[onelochevy]

I'm pretty sure that which ever .45 rd you hit the BG, whether it be HP or FMJ, it will get the job done.