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EV1L · 05-31-2008, 08:04 AM

I was at a gun shop looking at Aks. The price difference between the milled and the non milled were from $200 to $300.

Now, I'm not familiar at all with AKs and really don't know what are really the advantages or the disadvantages of the two.

What should I get and why? Is one more reliable, accurate than the other? Worth the price difference? What are the large numbers of AKs are?

Tell me guys, I may be an AK owner soon.

NayKid · 05-31-2008, 09:41 AM

I'm not too familiar with the AK platform, so take what I say with a grain of salt. I would assume you are talking about milled vs. stamped receivers. The only thing I can thing of being different would be a stamped receiver being lighter but less durable while a milled would be a little heavier and more robust. If I were to buy an AK I would choose milled.

Now for someone who knows something about them to learn me something new.

blefferd · 05-31-2008, 10:00 AM

i assume you are talking about an Aresnal AK? most any other milled AK is pretty rare compared to its stamped brother in todays standards.

a milled aresnal is going to run you in the 1k+

D-FENS · 05-31-2008, 10:02 AM

milled receivers are slightly heavier, they are less common which means less parts options. A quality milled receiver is nicer than a stamped one in my opinion. Having said that there is no reason a stamped receiver wouldn't last just as long as a milled one. Are the milled receiver AKs at the gun shop Russian?

blefferd · 05-31-2008, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by D-FENS

milled receivers are slightly heavier, they are less common which means less parts options. A quality milled receiver is nicer than a stamped one in my opinion. Having said that there is no reason a stamped receiver wouldn't last just as long as a milled one. Are the milled receiver AKs at the gun shop Russian?

i highly doubt it, if they are they where demilled once

D-FENS · 05-31-2008, 10:20 AM

What year did the BATF start requiring demilled Aks? At one time couldn't they import rifles without butchering them and slapping them back together? I do not spend much time reading about all of the stupid laws they dream up when it comes to imported rifles. It makes no sense to chop something up and then rebuild it. The U.S. made parts game you have to play with an SKS is just as pointless.

EV1L · 05-31-2008, 10:40 AM

Thanks for the info. The AK I was looking at was Romanian, I think. Other than one being heavier than the other, what else is there to it?

I need something good and cheap, that's the whole purpose for an AK, around $400-$550. Any recommendations?

D-FENS · 05-31-2008, 10:53 AM

I'm not an expert on this subject. There is way to much to know, but I have always dreamed of finding a Russian with a milled receiver. They were only made for a short while before the Russians went back to using stamped receivers due to cost. blefferd pointed out one of the problems that come into play when looking for an Ak and that is the BATF (The Government) and the nonsense they dream up when it comes to importation laws. If you are looking for a cheap buy the stamped AK. Just do a search for what countries offer what and see what your gun shop has in stock based on country and importer.

**einheit 13** · 05-31-2008, 11:30 AM

Chinese, Polish, Hungarian, Russian, Bulgarian, Finnish, Israeli, Egyptian, Iraqi, and Korean PLO are the only milled receiver guns to come into this country. The most common, and still imported, are the Bulgarians. Romania never issued milled AKs. The milled AKs didn't last long before improvements were made, early milled AKs had a weird grip angle with a two piece pistol grip. When the Russians started equipping the combloc with weapons, tooling's, and aide in materials, a simpler version was needed to make manufacturing easy and pretty much standardized. Less weight was also desired so they switched to stamped receivers, which is the AKM (M means modernized) pattern. A milled receiver AK offers 0 advantage over a stamped receiver here in the US (unless you own a class III or early-pre'68- weapon). One of the same reason the M-14 was dropped. A stamped receiver offers the ability to modify a weapon, repair is easier if damaged, and costs less. A milled gun doesn't use trunnions since its all one piece with the barrel either screwed in or pinned in place. FCG, hand guard, gas tube cover, top cover, mags, pistol grips, sights, springs, and muzzle attachments interchange between the to receiver types. Hand guards do require some fitting because the interlock at the receiver is smaller on milled guns, thats why milled hand guards fit loose on stamped receivers. More of a collector thing really, I own both types in several different variations-they all shoot the same as far as accuracy, but 'perceived' recoil is less on a milled gun because of the weight.

Ishpeck · 05-31-2008, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by EV1L

What should I get and why? Is one more reliable, accurate than the other? Worth the price difference? What are the large numbers of AKs are?

Milled receivers are beefier. Whereas a decent stamped receiver will be able to survive your truck running over it, a milled receiver will be able to survive the blast from a super nova.

I'm happy with my stamped receivers. Part of the charm of AK's is the low price. Milled receivers kinda undermine that.

05-31-2008, 08:04 AM	#1
EV1L XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: FL Posts: 214	Milled VS Non Milled I was at a gun shop looking at Aks. The price difference between the milled and the non milled were from $200 to $300. Now, I'm not familiar at all with AKs and really don't know what are really the advantages or the disadvantages of the two. What should I get and why? Is one more reliable, accurate than the other? Worth the price difference? What are the large numbers of AKs are? Tell me guys, I may be an AK owner soon.

05-31-2008, 10:00 AM	#3
blefferd XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: FLORIDA Posts: 1,381	i assume you are talking about an Aresnal AK? most any other milled AK is pretty rare compared to its stamped brother in todays standards. a milled aresnal is going to run you in the 1k+ __________________ SA XD 45GAP S&W 642 38SPL Glock 19 9mm Winchester Model 70 .308 Benelli Nova 12g Ruger 10/22 German K98 8MM New England Firearms Pardner 20g Norinco SKS 7.62x39 Polish TanTal 5.45x39 East German Markarov 9x18

05-31-2008, 11:30 AM	#9
einheit 13 XDTalk 5K Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Virginia, C.S.A. Posts: 5,547	Chinese, Polish, Hungarian, Russian, Bulgarian, Finnish, Israeli, Egyptian, Iraqi, and Korean PLO are the only milled receiver guns to come into this country. The most common, and still imported, are the Bulgarians. Romania never issued milled AKs. The milled AKs didn't last long before improvements were made, early milled AKs had a weird grip angle with a two piece pistol grip. When the Russians started equipping the combloc with weapons, tooling's, and aide in materials, a simpler version was needed to make manufacturing easy and pretty much standardized. Less weight was also desired so they switched to stamped receivers, which is the AKM (M means modernized) pattern. A milled receiver AK offers 0 advantage over a stamped receiver here in the US (unless you own a class III or early-pre'68- weapon). One of the same reason the M-14 was dropped. A stamped receiver offers the ability to modify a weapon, repair is easier if damaged, and costs less. A milled gun doesn't use trunnions since its all one piece with the barrel either screwed in or pinned in place. FCG, hand guard, gas tube cover, top cover, mags, pistol grips, sights, springs, and muzzle attachments interchange between the to receiver types. Hand guards do require some fitting because the interlock at the receiver is smaller on milled guns, thats why milled hand guards fit loose on stamped receivers. More of a collector thing really, I own both types in several different variations-they all shoot the same as far as accuracy, but 'perceived' recoil is less on a milled gun because of the weight. __________________ Die Erde wird das sanfte erben! (the earth shall inherit the meek!) “It is the lack of will power, and not the lack of arms which render us incapable of offering any serious resistance.” Last edited by einheit 13 : 05-31-2008 at 11:32 AM.

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05-31-2008, 09:41 AM	#2
NayKid XDTalk Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 59	I'm not too familiar with the AK platform, so take what I say with a grain of salt. I would assume you are talking about milled vs. stamped receivers. The only thing I can thing of being different would be a stamped receiver being lighter but less durable while a milled would be a little heavier and more robust. If I were to buy an AK I would choose milled. Now for someone who knows something about them to learn me something new.

05-31-2008, 10:02 AM	#4
D-FENS XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 134	milled receivers are slightly heavier, they are less common which means less parts options. A quality milled receiver is nicer than a stamped one in my opinion. Having said that there is no reason a stamped receiver wouldn't last just as long as a milled one. Are the milled receiver AKs at the gun shop Russian?

05-31-2008, 10:20 AM	#6
D-FENS XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 134	What year did the BATF start requiring demilled Aks? At one time couldn't they import rifles without butchering them and slapping them back together? I do not spend much time reading about all of the stupid laws they dream up when it comes to imported rifles. It makes no sense to chop something up and then rebuild it. The U.S. made parts game you have to play with an SKS is just as pointless.

05-31-2008, 10:40 AM	#7
EV1L XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: FL Posts: 214	Thanks for the info. The AK I was looking at was Romanian, I think. Other than one being heavier than the other, what else is there to it? I need something good and cheap, that's the whole purpose for an AK, around $400-$550. Any recommendations?

05-31-2008, 10:53 AM	#8
D-FENS XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 134	I'm not an expert on this subject. There is way to much to know, but I have always dreamed of finding a Russian with a milled receiver. They were only made for a short while before the Russians went back to using stamped receivers due to cost. blefferd pointed out one of the problems that come into play when looking for an Ak and that is the BATF (The Government) and the nonsense they dream up when it comes to importation laws. If you are looking for a cheap buy the stamped AK. Just do a search for what countries offer what and see what your gun shop has in stock based on country and importer.