Why should i buy an AK over an AR/M4?

[einheit 13]

Originally Posted by Sleepr awd

i believe teh spetsnaz use the 5.45 chambered AK variants, and they can't be wrong. If they were, they'd have to kill you.

and it is definitely way cheaper. I will be buying a second AK variant, most likely a WASR 2 < the 2 means chambered in 5.45, since they are cost effective and it likely won't matter if either rifle outlasts me anyways.

and being that 5.45 is lighter, it would also then be cheaper to ship, not only saving the cost of buying it, but also the cost of shipping it!! woot!!

The 5,45 was first started as the round for the AKSU (we call it a Krinkov or Krink for some reason)...then they shot it froma 16" barrel and viola, a new combat round called the 'poison bullet' (as the Afghans called it) was born. The entire ComBloc, except for Yugoslavia and Hungry went to the AK-74 rifle in 5,45x39.5; even the Koreans and Chinese did, for a while. The 5,45 will out do the 7.62 in every realm except for barrier penetration-and only because a 123gr bullet tends to go through barriers with more force (and easier) than a 60gr 5,45. The 5,45 shoots alot flatter, and then came the 'wasp' which all combloc ammo was built after-steel core for enhanced penetration, much like the M855 round for the M16 that started in the '80s. Some die hards stayed with the 7.62, both are still alive and well in Russia and Bulgaria, along with the 5.56 and 7.62. The latest AK variation is the AK-100 series, based on the improvements made during the AK-74/Wz. 88 (Tantal) development. All current AKs are based off the AK-74 pattern with the exception of the Ak-107 and AK-108 with the BARS (Balanced Automatic Recoil System). And so yall know, don't be deceived by the 5,45 designation- the bullet actually measures 5,61 or .220/.221

[einheit 13]

Originally Posted by Ishpeck

It shoots the 5.45Wussie caliber? S'why I didn't want one. 7.62Commie is bigger and cheaper. Makes for a better penis extension.

Till you for compare a 400yd grouping, rate of fire, zero recoil, the cool 'poison bullet' nick name, the left side folding stock (started with the AK-74 pattern), poly mags in any colour you want, and the fact that people give you a crooked look when you say 'No, its an AK-74', the first AK rifle with poly furniture (plum then black), its lighter than an AKM, uses better looking bayonets, has the mounts for a GP30, and can actually hit targets all the way to its 800m sight setting (first run of sights were 800m, then set to standard 1000m-which it could hit-because of the ammo, not the rifle)....

[gsx1138]

Originally Posted by DanTheEldest

The AK is eviler and blacker than that other EBR.

I've become a bit of a Russian/combloc firearm fan, so the AK is the next step in the collection for me anyway, but here are my high points even if I weren't already favorably predisposed to them:

1. Rugged, simple construction
2. Legendary reliability even under really nasty conditions
3. Cheaper ammo
4. Pistons are more better than teensy gas tubes
5. They tend to scare people just by showing up
6. Half the world's armies and three-quarters of the narco-militias and guerilla fighters can't be wrong
7. Einheit has about sixty-seven of them, so they must be okay
8. Liberals desperately want to ban them, so they must be okay
9. They're so manly I sometimes feel...uh...inadequate when looking at hi-cap banana mags
10. They're designed to be easily field-stripped, reassembled, and used effectively by half-drunk, half-frozen illiterate conscripts. That gives me hope I might be able to become at least semi-proficient.

#10 is gold.

Sadly, it's no guarentee that'd I'd be able to do it.

[AZXD]

Originally Posted by DanTheEldest

Try this on for size:

AIM Bulgarian "WASP" 5.45x39 FMJ Bulgarian "WASP" 5.45x39 FMJ

I don't own anything in this caliber, but I might buy a case just to have it at that price.

Originally Posted by Ishpeck

Same here ... ... We are such dorks.

Agreed on all counts.
Freak'n commies are suckering us in with cheap ammo prices. It's a conspiracy, I tell ya.

ETA:
Dan,
Find the old signature you had about finding an AK in the field, peeing on the action and going back to work. If that doesn't convince him ... Nothing will.

[Zer0]

Navy SEALS will only carry the best weapon for the job. And on beach landings they carry Norinko AKMs. Why? 2 reasons . . . Sand & Salt Water. Nothing wrong with AR/M16/M4s. But they have tight tolerences that aren't reliable in harsh conditions, hence the AKMs for beach Ops.

Polytechs are better, but a good Norinko will get the job done and they're less expensive. Sure you could find a Maadi for even less, but they suck. Why buy an AK for reliability and then buy one that's not only unreliable but one that can be as much as a foot off target at 50 meters?

762x39? Depends . . . Do you want ammo that carries further through obstacles? Or do you want to carry more ammo? AK74's "Poison Bullets" are tumblers, just like a .223, meant to cavitate and cause more damage. But it's going to tumble whether it hits a rib or a branch.

762x39 is meant to fly straight. Straight through the branch straight through the tree, straight through the guy and straight through the guy behind the guy. It's weighs more, so you can't carry as many rounds, but what you do carry won't ricochet of much of anything between you and your target. If you want more penetration than that you'd better pack an NATO .762 M-14 or a Barrett .50 Cal. It's all a trade off. Other standard choices for a sharp shooter are .308 or a 30-06.

Yes the AR/M16/M4 is more accurate, but Aks were designed to be accurate only in the usual range of enemy contact and engagement, which is usually 100 meters or less. Perfect for Jungle, Wooded or Urban Environments. But when you're that close to the enemy your shot-gunner is usually on point, because he can but the most lead downrange in the shortest amount of time. And with a shotgun close is good enough.

[newKid]

Originally Posted by jcabin

the title speaks for itself. doing some research, just looking for thoughts, thanks.

because the brady campaign hates them more.

[newKid]

Originally Posted by Zer0

Navy SEALS will only carry the best weapon for the job. And on beach landings they carry Norinko AKMs. Why? 2 reasons . . . Sand & Salt Water. Nothing wrong with AR/M16/M4s. But they have tight tolerences that aren't reliable in harsh conditions, hence the AKMs for beach Ops.

Polytechs are better, but a good Norinko will get the job done and they're less expensive. Sure you could find a Maadi for even less, but they suck. Why buy an AK for reliability and then buy one that's not only unreliable but one that can be as much as a foot off target at 50 meters?

762x39? Depends . . . Do you want ammo that carries further through obstacles? Or do you want to carry more ammo? AK74's "Poison Bullets" are tumblers, just like a .223, meant to cavitate and cause more damage. But it's going to tumble whether it hits a rib or a branch.

762x39 is meant to fly straight. Straight through the branch straight through the tree, straight through the guy and straight through the guy behind the guy. It's weighs more, so you can't carry as many rounds, but what you do carry won't ricochet of much of anything between you and your target. If you want more penetration than that you'd better pack an NATO .762 M-14 or a Barrett .50 Cal. It's all a trade off. Other standard choices for a sharp shooter are .308 or a 30-06.

Yes the AR/M16/M4 is more accurate, but Aks were designed to be accurate only in the usual range of enemy contact and engagement, which is usually 100 meters or less. Perfect for Jungle, Wooded or Urban Environments. But when you're that close to the enemy your shot-gunner is usually on point, because he can but the most lead downrange in the shortest amount of time. And with a shotgun close is good enough.

556 doesnt tumble, it fragments, giving better wounding capability than the 545, but it reduces its penetration.

the only advantage 545 has over 556 is penetration, all other aspect favor the 556. that said, the 545 is still a good round, as others here have stated.

I agree with you that well made AKs are certainly as accurate as you need a combat gun to be and almost all of them are reliable to a fault.

[newKid]

Originally Posted by einheit 13

Till you for compare a 400yd grouping, rate of fire, zero recoil, the cool 'poison bullet' nick name, the left side folding stock (started with the AK-74 pattern), poly mags in any colour you want, and the fact that people give you a crooked look when you say 'No, its an AK-74', the first AK rifle with poly furniture (plum then black), its lighter than an AKM, uses better looking bayonets, has the mounts for a GP30, and can actually hit targets all the way to its 800m sight setting (first run of sights were 800m, then set to standard 1000m-which it could hit-because of the ammo, not the rifle)....

every time you post anything, i wish i had got that aresenal 106 instead of an AR. . .every time.

[Ishpeck]

Originally Posted by newKid

every time you post anything, i wish i had got that aresenal 106 instead of an AR. . .every time.

It's never too late to sell one of your kidneys and get a good rifle.

[newKid]

Originally Posted by Ishpeck

It's never too late to sell one of your kidneys and get a good rifle.

man, i tell you, if i didnt have so much money in AR magazines i would sell my AR and go back to the platform of my first love. . .