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PainTrane · 05-27-2008, 03:17 PM

AK-47 has more stopping & penetration power

AR-15 is more accurate past 400 yards

AK-47 is more reliable (the elements don't affect it all)

AR-15 has peep sights (better sight picture)

AK-47 can penetrate 8 inches of solid wood

AR-15 can not penetrate 8 inches of solid wood

AK-47 is more intimidating

You pick.

DMTWI · 05-28-2008, 07:13 AM

I was never that interested in an AK, got myself an AR and off I went to the range, happy as can be. Then I start looking at AK's, oh crap, these are pretty cool, fun to shoot, cheaper ammo, of course they look mean and nasty and are a blast to field strip!

I sit at the kitchen table, take the AK apart, put it back together, take it apart, back together, on and on this goes....My wife thinks I'm playing with the AK more than with her! Guess that's the only issue I've had with my AK....ha

Texas-Gun-Man · 05-28-2008, 07:36 AM

Get both it'll be a win win situation!!!

PainTrane · 05-28-2008, 11:02 AM

eh, mostly a win-win. When your enemy is hiding behind a double-thick brick wall you're gonna wish you got the AK.

yeahYeah · 05-28-2008, 11:10 AM

i think intruders and muggers and liberals would run for the hills faster if you had an AK.

PainTrane · 05-28-2008, 11:17 AM

Agreed, well actually when you think about it . . . any gun in general would send liberals running for the hills! LOL I bet if I whipped out my pellet gun they'd pee their pants and run!

scurtis_34471 · 05-28-2008, 12:35 PM

AK Pros
Less expensive to buy
Less expensive to shoot
Nearly indestructable
Very reliable, even under bad conditions
More powerful

AK Cons
Heavy
Ugly
Fewer accessories
Noticeably less accurate past 150 yards

AR Pros
Better fit and finish
Lighter
More accurate

AR Cons
More expensive to buy
More expensive to shoot
Less reliable under adverse conditions

Oreo · 05-28-2008, 01:49 PM

The AKs are ugly?... this is news to me.

To me, the AK epitomizes everything a modern firearm should be: Reliable, easy to use, easy to maintain, easy for the average soldier to carry and wield.

Edit:
And I think it's purdy

Broadside · 05-28-2008, 02:44 PM

The challenges I have with my Ak are this.

The ergos blow, safety and mag changes, try changing mags being prone you'll see real quick what I mean. The sights have a lot to be desired, I can hit clay pigeons as far back as I can see them about 75 yards.

The problem I have is this, the AK 7.62 JHP round punches through small game and they keep running. I've shot multiple rabbits and yotes and they keep on running. First time it happened I couldn't believe it and thought I had missed. Never found the first rabbit following the blood trail and the yote was a good mile out from where I shot it and needed another shot to put down. I've stopped hunting with the AK and it sits in the safe.

With the AR they are all one stop shots up to including turning stuff inside out if you wish. As the targets get larger the 7.62 round starts to shine and the 5.56/223 starts to dim with neither caliber being a panacea. I lean more toward a 1/7 twist barrel for the AR with 62+ gr ammo for anything within 400 yards. It's a universal round from long pig to ground squirels.

For SHFT AK is a good choice for price / performance; but when SHFT my AK will sit and the AR's will take front stage. All local law enforcement and military currently uses 5.56/223 so parts / ammo may be available. Unless you stock piled a few thousand rounds you may be SOL.

I don't feel out gunned carrying the AK, I think the AR is better in a lot of ways IMO.

Ishpeck · 05-28-2008, 02:55 PM

I'm disappointed that this thread could go a whole page without saying WOLVERINES!

05-27-2008, 03:17 PM	#51
PainTrane XDTalk Newbie Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 14	AK-47 has more stopping & penetration power AR-15 is more accurate past 400 yards AK-47 is more reliable (the elements don't affect it all) AR-15 has peep sights (better sight picture) AK-47 can penetrate 8 inches of solid wood AR-15 can not penetrate 8 inches of solid wood AK-47 is more intimidating You pick. __________________ AK-47 (Lancaster) SKS (modified) Ruger 10/22 (modifed) 3 Remington 870 12 Ga Shotguns Remington 597 Semi-Auto .22 Rifle (3-9x40 Bushnell)

05-28-2008, 07:13 AM	#52
DMTWI XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 479	I was never that interested in an AK, got myself an AR and off I went to the range, happy as can be. Then I start looking at AK's, oh crap, these are pretty cool, fun to shoot, cheaper ammo, of course they look mean and nasty and are a blast to field strip! I sit at the kitchen table, take the AK apart, put it back together, take it apart, back together, on and on this goes....My wife thinks I'm playing with the AK more than with her! Guess that's the only issue I've had with my AK....ha __________________ DT XD-9

05-28-2008, 07:36 AM	#53
Texas-Gun-Man XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 474	Get both it'll be a win win situation!!! __________________ "This will be the best security for maintaining our liberties. A nation of well-informed men who have been taught to know and prize the rights which God has given them cannot be enslaved. It is in the religion of ignorance that tyranny begins." Benjamin Franklin The RELIGION of Ignorance has begun.

05-28-2008, 11:02 AM	#54
PainTrane XDTalk Newbie Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 14	eh, mostly a win-win. When your enemy is hiding behind a double-thick brick wall you're gonna wish you got the AK. __________________ AK-47 (Lancaster) SKS (modified) Ruger 10/22 (modifed) 3 Remington 870 12 Ga Shotguns Remington 597 Semi-Auto .22 Rifle (3-9x40 Bushnell)

05-28-2008, 11:10 AM	#55
yeahYeah XDTalk 5K Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Vegas Posts: 9,250	i think intruders and muggers and liberals would run for the hills faster if you had an AK. __________________ MOΛΩN ΛABÉ "Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to God." - Benjamin Franklin A Place for Nevada Gun Owners: http://www.nevadashooters.com

05-28-2008, 11:17 AM	#56
PainTrane XDTalk Newbie Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 14	Agreed, well actually when you think about it . . . any gun in general would send liberals running for the hills! LOL I bet if I whipped out my pellet gun they'd pee their pants and run! __________________ AK-47 (Lancaster) SKS (modified) Ruger 10/22 (modifed) 3 Remington 870 12 Ga Shotguns Remington 597 Semi-Auto .22 Rifle (3-9x40 Bushnell)

05-28-2008, 12:35 PM	#57
scurtis_34471 XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 246	AK Pros Less expensive to buy Less expensive to shoot Nearly indestructable Very reliable, even under bad conditions More powerful AK Cons Heavy Ugly Fewer accessories Noticeably less accurate past 150 yards AR Pros Better fit and finish Lighter More accurate AR Cons More expensive to buy More expensive to shoot Less reliable under adverse conditions

05-28-2008, 01:49 PM	#58
Oreo XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: The new USSR Posts: 148	The AKs are ugly?... this is news to me. To me, the AK epitomizes everything a modern firearm should be: Reliable, easy to use, easy to maintain, easy for the average soldier to carry and wield. Edit: And I think it's purdy __________________ "The society that separates its warriors from its scholars will have its thinking done by cowards, and its fighting done by fools." - Thucydides Support: - SCCC - 2nd Amendment Rights - US Armed Forces - GRPD - BPPD - SAPD

05-28-2008, 02:44 PM	#59
Broadside XDTalk 2K Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,935	The challenges I have with my Ak are this. The ergos blow, safety and mag changes, try changing mags being prone you'll see real quick what I mean. The sights have a lot to be desired, I can hit clay pigeons as far back as I can see them about 75 yards. The problem I have is this, the AK 7.62 JHP round punches through small game and they keep running. I've shot multiple rabbits and yotes and they keep on running. First time it happened I couldn't believe it and thought I had missed. Never found the first rabbit following the blood trail and the yote was a good mile out from where I shot it and needed another shot to put down. I've stopped hunting with the AK and it sits in the safe. With the AR they are all one stop shots up to including turning stuff inside out if you wish. As the targets get larger the 7.62 round starts to shine and the 5.56/223 starts to dim with neither caliber being a panacea. I lean more toward a 1/7 twist barrel for the AR with 62+ gr ammo for anything within 400 yards. It's a universal round from long pig to ground squirels. For SHFT AK is a good choice for price / performance; but when SHFT my AK will sit and the AR's will take front stage. All local law enforcement and military currently uses 5.56/223 so parts / ammo may be available. Unless you stock piled a few thousand rounds you may be SOL. I don't feel out gunned carrying the AK, I think the AR is better in a lot of ways IMO. __________________ XD - 9 Subcompact XD - 357 Service w/ SA Custom Carry Pro Pkg SA - Mil Spec 1911 A1

05-28-2008, 02:55 PM	#60
Ishpeck XDTalk 4K Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Earth Posts: 4,197	I'm disappointed that this thread could go a whole page without saying WOLVERINES! __________________ When given a chance to issue letters of marque and reprisal against Bin Laden, Congress voted against it and instead, voted the Patriot Act into law. Tells you who they think their real enemies are. http://www.ishpeck.net/

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