Windex ain't got any special $♓☝☤ in it to combat corrosive salts.
Windex is a convenient source of h2o, that is all.
Black powder shooters (the holy black is far more corrosive than modern corrosive primer salts) have used windex at the range for years, due to it's portability.
. . but Windex has ammonia in it
Yeah, ammonia dissolves copper, not corrosive salts.
It's the water in the windex that sluices some of the salts out that keeps this myth alive. You can accomplish the same thing with a cheap water-filled squirt bottle from walmart or a garden hose or a dunk in a water bucket.
P.S. chrome rusts up just fine, if you don't care for it.
Windex evaporates quicker than plain water. Windex also contains Butoxyethanol, which is found in all cleansers and degreasers. The water will neutralize the corrosive sodium, but it will not remove it from the pits in the barrel. This is why some soaps work better than others for certain jobs. Windex is a handy all in one mix that will clean everything from a rifles bore with the exception of copper. There is not emough amonia nor the electrical charge needed to do so.
As far as black powder shooters, most use a form of pyrodex. Pyrodex is mildly corrosive to not corrosive at all. Espeacially against chrome lined barrelss, it will have zero effect if left in the bore and humidity is introduced. Actual black powder on the other habd, which very few people even use has the same sodiums present in the primers of Combloc ammo. There just happens to be more of it. Besides that, where do you think the windex/ammonia thing came from...it worked better than water, worked better than Dawn and water. The black powder shooters that I know (real black powder) have been using windex, windex with amonia, brake parts cleaner, carb cleaner, kerosene, anti freeze, liquid pesticides, oven cleaners and boiling water. Windex just happens to be the easiest to work with, carry, and non caustic...there is no myth, just a bunch of wrong answers.
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Windex evaporates quicker than plain water. Windex also contains Butoxyethanol, which is found in all cleansers and degreasers. The water will neutralize the corrosive sodium, but it will not remove it from the pits in the barrel. This is why some soaps work better than others for certain jobs. Windex is a handy all in one mix that will clean everything from a rifles bore with the exception of copper. There is not emough amonia nor the electrical charge needed to do so.
As far as black powder shooters, most use a form of pyrodex. Pyrodex is mildly corrosive to not corrosive at all. Espeacially against chrome lined barrelss, it will have zero effect if left in the bore and humidity is introduced. Actual black powder on the other habd, which very few people even use has the same sodiums present in the primers of Combloc ammo. There just happens to be more of it. Besides that, where do you think the windex/ammonia thing came from...it worked better than water, worked better than Dawn and water. The black powder shooters that I know (real black powder) have been using windex, windex with amonia, brake parts cleaner, carb cleaner, kerosene, anti freeze, liquid pesticides, oven cleaners and boiling water. Windex just happens to be the easiest to work with, carry, and non caustic...there is no myth, just a bunch of wrong answers.
...and quit being a dick, if it bothers you that bad-don't reply...
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Windex evaporates quicker than plain water. Windex also contains Butoxyethanol, which is found in all cleansers and degreasers. The water will neutralize the corrosive sodium, but it will not remove it from the pits in the barrel. This is why some soaps work better than others for certain jobs. Windex is a handy all in one mix that will clean everything from a rifles bore with the exception of copper. There is not emough amonia nor the electrical charge needed to do so.
So you're saying Windex is an "all in one" cleaning solution after a shooting session with corrosive ammo?
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As far as black powder shooters, most use a form of pyrodex. Pyrodex is mildly corrosive to not corrosive at all. Espeacially against chrome lined barrelss, it will have zero effect if left in the bore and humidity is introduced. Actual black powder on the other habd, which very few people even use has the same sodiums present in the primers of Combloc ammo. There just happens to be more of it. Besides that, where do you think the windex/ammonia thing came from...it worked better than water, worked better than Dawn and water. The black powder shooters that I know (real black powder) have been using windex, windex with amonia, brake parts cleaner, carb cleaner, kerosene, anti freeze, liquid pesticides, oven cleaners and boiling water. Windex just happens to be the easiest to work with, carry, and non caustic...there is no myth, just a bunch of wrong answers.
If i were speaking of pyrodex or Triple-7 or any other black powder substitue, i would have said "black powder substitute". I was referring to actual "black powder".
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Thank you einheit.
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If any corrosive ammo rusted out barrels from normal use you would see alot more issues with the stuff.
I have 5 5.45 rifles, have shot thousands of rounds through. I would like to report 1 rust issue, not in the barrel but the flash hider on my RPK74. I blame it mostly on shooting a crap ton of ammo out of it during the range trip, putting it back in the bag hot and let it sit in the garage for a week before getting to clean it. It was some minor surface rust that came right up with a soft bristle brush.
For the OP, get one buy a stack of ammo and shoot the heck out if it! great little round, min recoil, light weight, accurate and CHEAP. I shot about 600 rounds this past weekend I plan on shooting some more this weekend
If you are an AR guy get a 5.45 upper, alot cheaper to practicing with than 5.56 ammo!!!! Look at it like this $300+ for 2180 rounds of 5.45 or $240+ for 1000 rounds of 7.62x39 or $350+ for 1000 rounds of 5.56..
Windex evaporates quicker than plain water. Windex also contains Butoxyethanol, which is found in all cleansers and degreasers. The water will neutralize the corrosive sodium, but it will not remove it from the pits in the barrel. This is why some soaps work better than others for certain jobs. Windex is a handy all in one mix that will clean everything from a rifles bore with the exception of copper. There is not emough amonia nor the electrical charge needed to do so.
As far as black powder shooters, most use a form of pyrodex. Pyrodex is mildly corrosive to not corrosive at all. Espeacially against chrome lined barrelss, it will have zero effect if left in the bore and humidity is introduced. Actual black powder on the other habd, which very few people even use has the same sodiums present in the primers of Combloc ammo. There just happens to be more of it. Besides that, where do you think the windex/ammonia thing came from...it worked better than water, worked better than Dawn and water. The black powder shooters that I know (real black powder) have been using windex, windex with amonia, brake parts cleaner, carb cleaner, kerosene, anti freeze, liquid pesticides, oven cleaners and boiling water. Windex just happens to be the easiest to work with, carry, and non caustic...there is no myth, just a bunch of wrong answers.
...and quit being a dick, if it bothers you that bad-don't reply...
Interesting.. I just got into Black powder shooting.. and everyone at the club almost banned me for showing up with pyrodex.. which turned into a nice cake at the bottom of my barrel btw..
I was just going to suggest buying the AR upper in 5.45. Another reason to stock up on the cheap ammo, several different platforms are available.
If you take your weapon home and clean it within a day, I don't see you having rust issues. I think most guys here probably overclean their weapons, especially with the internet terror of corrossive ammo,
Muahahahahahahahahahaha!!
I've bought weapons from forum members that are literally dripping with CLP. I think they took a dunk in the oil pan
I have found that the AK74 is a lot more accurate than the AK 47.
So besides cheap ammo, better accuracy, and the steel core stuff (5.45x39) can punch holes through 1/2 steel with a lot of sparks flying.
Guess how I figured that out, I guess I owe the range a new gong now.
That is why I went with the 5.45.
I was just going to suggest buying the AR upper in 5.45. Another reason to stock up on the cheap ammo, several different platforms are available.
If you take your weapon home and clean it within a day, I don't see you having rust issues. I think most guys here probably overclean their weapons, especially with the internet terror of corrossive ammo,
Muahahahahahahahahahaha!!
I've bought weapons from forum members that are literally dripping with CLP. I think they took a dunk in the oil pan
I normally go 2-4 days before cleaning mine have had no issues yet lol. Only rust problem ive seen was the one I posted about earlier
Christ, I read this whole thread, and I cannot believe that nobody has asked: What, cheap ammo ain't reason enough?
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I plan on shooting some more this weekend 
which turned into a nice cake at the bottom of my barrel btw.. 
Muahahahahahahahahahaha!!
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