922r[ compliance

[yocan]

I have a saiga, got a tapco stock with pistol grip does that count as 2 parts? If so, what does a muzzle attachment entail? I mean can I just wrap a wire around the end [and call it good. If so I'd only need to switch one other part.

[Krackels]

Originally Posted by yocan

I have a saiga, got a tapco stock with pistol grip does that count as 2 parts?

I don't believe it does since it's one piece, but I could be wrong.

Originally Posted by yocan

If so, what does a muzzle attachment entail?

A muzzle attachment is a device which threads onto the threaded barrel. It could be a flashhider, compensator, or a faux flashhider or compensator.

Originally Posted by yocan

I mean can I just wrap a wire around the end and call it good. If so I'd only need to switch one other part.

No.

Compliance parts have to be US marked, so wrapping wire around a muzzle brake wouldn't work.

Likewise you couldn't swap out the muzzle brake with a US made (but not marked one) and have it count towards 922r compliance.

I believe you need a minimum of 6 US parts to be compliant (in most AKs), it comes down to NO more than 10 non-US parts.
922(r) Worksheet for AK-47 Builds - Gunwiki - TWiki

I would look at replacing the sear, hammer, trigger and disconnector as well as the muzzle brake and buttstock and pistol grip and if you need another part to replace the gas piston is pretty easy too.

[ryr8828]

The saiga doesn't come with a pistol grip, the stock counts as one. Then the pistol grip counts against you so it's a wash. (there is some disagreement on this)

Magazine counts as 3 (body, follower, floorplate). I use US magazines, the tapco stock, and a surefire forearm. This way I know there is no doubt that I'm down to 10 imported parts. I can't slip up and use the stock Russian magazine or I'm illegal.

On the saiga you need to change to 4 US made parts.

Here's a checklist:
922(r) Worksheet for Saiga Conversions - Gunwiki - TWiki

[nalioth]

Originally Posted by Krackels

I don't believe it does since it's one piece, but I could be wrong.

You are wrong.
Butt stock = 1
Pistol grip = 1

Originally Posted by Krackels

I
Compliance parts have to be US marked, so wrapping wire around a muzzle brake wouldn't work.

Likewise you couldn't swap out the muzzle brake with a US made (but not marked one) and have it count towards 922r compliance.

Wrong again.

Parts do not have to be marked in any way, shape or form. Keep your receipt (with "US made part" listed), if you have unmarked US made parts and think questions may arise.

Originally Posted by Krackels

I
I believe you need a minimum of 6 US parts to be compliant (in most AKs), it comes down to NO more than 10 non-US parts.
922(r) Worksheet for AK-47 Builds - Gunwiki - TWiki

A Saiga rifle only has 14 countable parts in factory configuration. 15 countable parts since the pistol grip has been added to the mix..

Originally Posted by Krackels

I
I would look at replacing the sear, hammer, trigger and disconnector as well as the muzzle brake and buttstock and pistol grip and if you need another part to replace the gas piston is pretty easy too.

AK's don't have sears. Nor do Saigas have muzzle devices.

The easiest way to bring a Saiga rifle into compliance is to convert it.

If you choose to use the cheezoid buttstock/pistol grip combo, Dinzag makes custom fire control groups for the poor rifle.

[einheit 13]

yup...

[yocan]

Originally Posted by nalioth

You are wrong.
Butt stock = 1
Pistol grip = 1


Wrong again.

Parts do not have to be marked in any way, shape or form. Keep your receipt (with "US made part" listed), if you have unmarked US made parts and think questions may arise.
A Saiga rifle only has 14 countable parts in factory configuration. 15 countable parts since the pistol grip has been added to the mix..
AK's don't have sears. Nor do Saigas have muzzle devices.

The easiest way to bring a Saiga rifle into compliance is to convert it.

If you choose to use the cheezoid buttstock/pistol grip combo, Dinzag makes custom fire control groups for the poor rifle.

call me crazy if you want but I like the longer rifle. I am 6'5" after all. Thanks [for the answers guys.

Well trying to keep costs down, and if in the end I want 10 combat capable mags including possibly .40 rounders I think I'm better off using military surplus steel mags. So I need 3 more parts to be legal. Suggestions? I"m thinking magazine disconnector, anyone ever use one thats designed so the trigger hand can manipulate it? Then I was thinking a fore grip. If I dramatically alter the grip on there now would that be legal (adding vent holes and so on) Then what other adaptation would you say I'd get the most benefit from the price? am I right that the disconnector is the magazine catch?

[billbrasky]

did you move the trigger forward and "convert it". or are you using one of the saiga specific aftermarket tapco butt and pistol grib units.

like this

[yocan]

I'm using one of those, I did not convert it.

Didn't want to. I like it like this. While I'm at it logically on the sling attachment, its got a slot, and a hole for a clip, should the hole logically be up or down, and why?

[nalioth]

Originally Posted by yocan

call me crazy if you want but I like the longer rifle. I am 6'5" after all. Thanks [for the answers guys.

Well trying to keep costs down, and if in the end I want 10 combat capable mags including possibly .40 rounders I think I'm better off using military surplus steel mags. So I need 3 more parts to be legal. Suggestions? I"m thinking magazine disconnector, anyone ever use one thats designed so the trigger hand can manipulate it? Then I was thinking a fore grip. If I dramatically alter the grip on there now would that be legal (adding vent holes and so on) Then what other adaptation would you say I'd get the most benefit from the price? am I right that the disconnector is the magazine catch?

I do wish you guys would actually read the law before jumping in to this.

There is a specific list of parts that are "countable" under the law.

"Magazine disconnecters" are not countable parts.


My advice: Do a basic conversion. You'll be able to purchase inexpensive US made parts and you'll get an ergonomically friendly Kalashnikov pattern rifle when you're done.

If you use a Tapco T-6 (original style) butt stock, it'll extend out and be comfortable for you.


Suggested parts list:
Tapco T-6 (extendable for Yetis and Sasquatches everywhere)
Texas Ak Triggers FCG (the best you can get)
US pistol grip of your choice.

[yocan]

Originally Posted by nalioth

I do wish you guys would actually read the law before jumping in to this.

There is a specific list of parts that are "countable" under the law.

"Magazine disconnecters" are not countable parts.


My advice: Do a basic conversion. You'll be able to purchase inexpensive US made parts and you'll get an ergonomically friendly Kalashnikov pattern rifle when you're done.

If you use a Tapco T-6 (original style) butt stock, it'll extend out and be comfortable for you.


Suggested parts list:
Tapco T-6 (extendable for Yetis and Sasquatches everywhere)
Texas Ak Triggers FCG (the best you can get)
US pistol grip of your choice.

I know but at present I'm legal with US mags which I have 1, so I have a stopgap.